47.60 ...if she doped to run this, how fast would she be clean? What is her natural limit? Still seems like she'd be pretty darn fast.
47.60 ...if she doped to run this, how fast would she be clean? What is her natural limit? Still seems like she'd be pretty darn fast.
Who knows? I'm going to guess 54.0. More important, who cares? Time to put her records into the dustbin of history. Drug cheats are destroying our sport.
WRwomens wrote:
47.60 ...if she doped to run this, how fast would she be clean? What is her natural limit? Still seems like she'd be pretty darn fast.
According to the idiots on my thread
YOU HAVE NO evidence that she was ever dirty so stop slandering her.
In reality, she was probably never clean so hard to say. Thats like asking what Degrass and Bolt would run. They have been using since they started basically. Late teens with a little promise slowly start to use see how they perform. WJR Go off. 2004-006 A little more in 2007 and watch the magic in 2008. Degrass was using going into 2014 and 2015-16 was the reward.
Dion205 wrote:
Who knows? I'm going to guess 54.0. More important, who cares? Time to put her records into the dustbin of history. Drug cheats are destroying our sport.
I knew drugs helped, but oh snap, that is a huuuge difference. I thought women still doped today, but I guess they can't get away with using the good stuff of the 80's.
If I were an elite runner, I would announce to the world that I was going to dope with the good stuff. Tell everyone that you know your times won't count as official, but that you want to prove the only way to attain those times is to use those drugs.
its impossible to know.she was probably on fairly high dose drugs,and the receptors in her body must have responded well.i think she might have run close to 50 seconds flat,clean,in the 400 meters,and maybe 11.4/22.9 in the 100/200.perhaps even as fast as 22.8.
Olympic Truth wrote:
WRwomens wrote:47.60 ...if she doped to run this, how fast would she be clean? What is her natural limit? Still seems like she'd be pretty darn fast.
According to the idiots on my thread
YOU HAVE NO evidence that she was ever dirty so stop slandering her.
In reality, she was probably never clean so hard to say. Thats like asking what Degrass and Bolt would run. They have been using since they started basically. Late teens with a little promise slowly start to use see how they perform. WJR Go off. 2004-006 A little more in 2007 and watch the magic in 2008. Degrass was using going into 2014 and 2015-16 was the reward.
No evidence? Wasn't her name in the Stasi files? Apparently she was:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_in_East_Germany#DocumentationThe Germans have never been culturally to able stop themselves from keeping meticulous records, whether it's gassing people in the camps or cheating at sports. True.
Olympic Truth wrote:
According to the idiots on my thread
YOU HAVE NO evidence that she was ever dirty so stop slandering her.
To which you should of course reply that, given she was an East German woman, there's pretty damn good evidence. Just ask Werner Franke:
http://www.clinchem.org/content/43/7/1262.longThe charts are hard to read in that file, but they show long jumpers improving from 6.90m to 7.30m in two years. That's about a 5% improvement (some of which may of course have come down to maturing and improved technique). The steroid in question would presumably have been more beneficial for the most explosive events like the LJ, but if we assume that Koch also benefited by 5% that makes 50.1 - so I'd say she was worth 50.1 at worst.
I reckon she would lose to Vladikyna in Canberra '85 if she was not on drugs, with Vladikyna unlucky to lose to a suspected drugs cheat.
This is very specific evidence about Koch in Stasi files. Here the same guy who started that nonsense thread about hoe he knew who wasn't and wasn;'t clean is claiming that one the athletes we know for sure NOT to be clean is someone we don't know about. Ho hum.
Olympic Truth wrote:
WRwomens wrote:47.60 ...if she doped to run this, how fast would she be clean? What is her natural limit? Still seems like she'd be pretty darn fast.
According to the idiots on my thread
YOU HAVE NO evidence that she was ever dirty so stop slandering her.
In reality, she was probably never clean so hard to say. Thats like asking what Degrass and Bolt would run. They have been using since they started basically. Late teens with a little promise slowly start to use see how they perform. WJR Go off. 2004-006 A little more in 2007 and watch the magic in 2008. Degrass was using going into 2014 and 2015-16 was the reward.
I wonder how fast Bolt would run the 100m or 200m if had never used?
Double_Dog wrote:
I wonder how fast Bolt would run the 100m or 200m if had never used?
Bolt would likely be around 10 flat, and high 19s for the 200. He's been a great responder to an amazing cocktail of drugs.
Accurator wrote:
Double_Dog wrote:I wonder how fast Bolt would run the 100m or 200m if had never used?
Bolt would likely be around 10 flat, and high 19s for the 200. He's been a great responder to an amazing cocktail of drugs.
Proof?
Ruppitup wrote:
Accurator wrote:Bolt would likely be around 10 flat, and high 19s for the 200. He's been a great responder to an amazing cocktail of drugs.
Proof?
Don't need proof when many people are saying...
Who knows?
How fast could Wayde van Niekerk run if HE was clean?
Proof?
lol lol lol lol wrote:
Who knows?
How fast could Wayde van Niekerk run if HE was clean?
Koch wouda limped round in 50 and Jarmila wouda spanked her
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