What if Rupp and Centro were Algerian? Would we still think they are clean?

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7 years ago 08/23/2016 12:31pm EDT

I was very excited for Centro and Rupp to medal this year as an American, but can't help but think how much I'd hate them if they weren't American.

If the exact story came out in early 2015 where a foreign group had 27 former athletes/coaches come out against there coach like they did against Salazar would we forget about it? If that coach went on and admitted he tested his son to see how much T it took to take a positive would we also forget that? If that coach had an athlete test positive previously for T would we forget that? If the doctor who was involved refused to work with WADA would we accept that?

For myself any person associated with Aden will never be clean in my mind. However my american-scentric mind has seemingly helped me look past Salazar's group and all the glaringly discouraging stuff that came out last year about them.

7 years ago 08/23/2016 12:33pm EDT

re: Serious Question of 2016

No logical person could ever think Centro or Rupp is clean.

7 years ago 08/23/2016 12:37pm EDT

re: Serious Question of 2016

Serious Question of 2016 wrote:
I was very excited for Centro and Rupp to medal this year as an American, but can't help but think how much I'd hate them if they weren't American.
If the exact story came out in early 2015 where a foreign group had 27 former athletes/coaches come out against there coach like they did against Salazar would we forget about it? If that coach went on and admitted he tested his son to see how much T it took to take a positive would we also forget that? If that coach had an athlete test positive previously for T would we forget that? If the doctor who was involved refused to work with WADA would we accept that?
For myself any person associated with Aden will never be clean in my mind. However my american-scentric mind has seemingly helped me look past Salazar's group and all the glaringly discouraging stuff that came out last year about them.

This is so true.

Murphy's sudden dramatic improvements would also raise eyebrows if he was from any other country.

7 years ago 08/23/2016 12:39pm EDT

re: Serious Question of 2016

Read these boards for a week and you will find that 90% of the folks on here think them guilty of doping, or at the very least unnaturally pushing the limits up to legal maximums.

I honestly don't care about doping. When Americans, dirty or not, win medals, that's all good in my book.

7 years ago 08/23/2016 1:15pm EDT

re: try winning a race

try winning a race wrote:
Serious Question of 2016 wrote:
I was very excited for Centro and Rupp to medal this year as an American, but can't help but think how much I'd hate them if they weren't American.
If the exact story came out in early 2015 where a foreign group had 27 former athletes/coaches come out against there coach like they did against Salazar would we forget about it? If that coach went on and admitted he tested his son to see how much T it took to take a positive would we also forget that? If that coach had an athlete test positive previously for T would we forget that? If the doctor who was involved refused to work with WADA would we accept that?
For myself any person associated with Aden will never be clean in my mind. However my american-scentric mind has seemingly helped me look past Salazar's group and all the glaringly discouraging stuff that came out last year about them.
This is so true.
Murphy's sudden dramatic improvements would also raise eyebrows if he was from any other country.

Or even Chelimo.

The boards are extremely cynical (myself included) of performances that don't add up and/or from groups that have strong claims against them. Chelimo has never showed any promise of someone that could do more than qualify for a World Indoor team and now he is a Silver Medalist with a huge PR in a championship race. Either we are being too hard on the Africans even though it seems like none stop reports of doping is happening or we are the best at sweeping stuff under the rug in America.

I know nothing about Chelimo which in itself is why a silver medal seems even more unrealistic.

7 years ago 08/23/2016 1:21pm EDT

re: Serious Question of 2016

No honest person thinks that those two are clean.

7 years ago 08/23/2016 1:23pm EDT

re: Serious Question of 2016

If they were Algerian, we wouldn't think they were clean, because they wouldn't be.

7 years ago 08/23/2016 1:25pm EDT

re: thejeff

Algerian runners, like Moroccans, are not clean.

7 years ago 08/23/2016 2:53pm EDT

re: Not For Nothing But

I agree, but there is a reason- the history of North Africans being dirty and having no OOC testing.

Also, I doubt Centro is on drugs. If you assume the University of Oregon does not dope (and I do not believe they do), then Centro winning bronze in Daegu 2011 while still in school verifies all of his past results.

Global champs placing:

2011: 3

2012: 4

2013: 2

2015: 8

2016: 1 (i)

2016: 1

The indoor title is relatively meaningless due to lack of best runners in the world showing up.

So looking at outdoor medals, nothing is a huge outlier *IF YOU ASSUME 2011 IS CLEAN (which, as stated, I do). Chances are he will go back to 2nd-5th in 2017, 2019.

7 years ago 08/23/2016 7:09pm EDT

re: Serious Question of 2016

Bad argument. No athletes make claims against Wetmore because no other athletes care to. People only speak out if they're motivated to. Just because no one publicly complains doesn't mean a group is clean.

7 years ago 08/23/2016 8:52pm EDT

re: Phantasy Star

Phantasy Star wrote:
No logical person could ever think Centro or Rupp is clean.

This ^.

Noone thinks they're clean now

7 years ago 08/23/2016 8:57pm EDT

re: Serious Question of 2016

The answer is NO.only white Americans are clean

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