I think he could run 1:47 and 3:36. He is very strong endurance wise and have enough speed to run 50 to 49 400 meter all out.
I think he could run 1:47 and 3:36. He is very strong endurance wise and have enough speed to run 50 to 49 400 meter all out.
Metric Miler wrote:
1:49/1:50 with a 3:37 1500m.
Pure endurance.
This is the best guess.
Rockstar Games wrote:
800m: 1:46
1500m: 3:33
Don't forget elite marathon runners also do speedwork.
Idiot.
MarathonMind wrote:
same reason Paula ran 30:01 after her marathon WR: he's improved his aerobic fitness and can better his PRs at shorter distances.
Another fool. Pauls´s short distance capacity pretty soon got worse after she started to run the marathon. In the 2005 WC she was a complete non factor in 10000m, but won the marathon easily.
If you run faster in shorter distances after you´ve trained for the marathon, why don´t 10000 do that training instead of 10000 training?
well,. wrote:
Rockstar Games wrote:800m: 1:46
1500m: 3:33
Don't forget elite marathon runners also do speedwork.
Idiot.
I don't think it's idiotic. I am not as educated in the marathon as the shorter events and I know marathon training blunts speed, but people are suggesting 1:54 and well over 3:40??? That's ridiculous. He's probably dropped close to a 4:20 mile IN A MARATHON at some point. I'm sure he can easily run under 3:40. I'm less sure of the 800 but I'm going to throw out 1:49.
malmo wrote:
Metric Miler wrote:1:49/1:50 with a 3:37 1500m.
Pure endurance.
This is the best guess.
Kipchoge said he ran 1:47. That is a better guess.
at the height of his track career - 1.46
right now at the height of his marathon career - 1.51-1.52
Saying he can close a marathon in 4:20 has no bearing on what his mile capability is right now. Yes it is fast, but why does that mean he can run 3:40?
That said, I think he can probably run 1:48-1:49 and 3:36. I have a hard time believing a guy like that can't run 54-54.
Chumpeast Buster wrote:
malmo wrote:This is the best guess.
Kipchoge said he ran 1:47. That is a better guess.
The question is currently.
you beat me to it.
these questions are very difficult to answer as you have to convert a road time to a track
in his 2"03-flat in cold conditions in a tactical race with biwott near the end, he couda easily gone 2"02-flat / low on a warmer day & no tactics
on a track which is a perfect surface, that wouda probably be ~ 2"01-flat / mid
his 400 speed from canova's ole posts indicate quickest a M guy gets is ~ 53s
so for runs on a track :
53.0 / 2"01'30 ->
1'50.79
3'35.89
7'29.75
12'51.66
26'43.24
53.0 / 2"01'00 ->
1'50.71
3'35.59
7'28.83
12'49.74
26'38.33
unlikely to break 1'50 or 3'35 currently, but great for 5 & 10k, his 10k right up there with his best ( ran a 26'50+pb in slow race in hengelo where 9k time was on for 27+ but brutal last 1k dragged them to ~ 26'50 - was probably in 26'35+ shape at the time )
also note : M is probably beyond ideal "physiological" running distance for anyone as there is "wall" at 20 miles & guys job is to handle "wall", so above woud all expect to be quicker
powerofreason wrote:
perspective wrote:Yes, true, but he could have run 1500 in less than 3.33 more like 3.30 or faster.
Remember this is the guy who outsprinted both Bekele and El Gerrouj to win the 2003 World Champs 5000.
That was Kipchoge's only major championship win at 5000m. He was not the same calibre as Bekele at 5000m or 10000m. Kipchoge finished third behind both El G and Bekele in the 2004 Olympic 5000m and second behind Bekele (by a five-second margin) in the 2008 5000m. I saw an interview with Bekele in his prime where he was asked about his fastest 800m and he said 1:46.
I saw him live in 2003 (Paris WCs) and he finished in a 2:21/22 last km, and I remember thinking "wow that young Kenyan just out sprinted El G. and Bekele of a fast pace, I bet he could finish faster then I could do a flat 800m."
My guess was back then he could go about 1:47, but I heard somewhere that Mo could go sub-1:46. These days he could still do 1:50/51 in top shape.
Bekele and Kipchoge didn't run 1500m often, so aproaching 3:30 would have been reasonable, given a few more legit tries.
In 2013 I don't think that many people believed that Farah would break 3:29, and Kipchoge PR's would indicate something similar.
At the current moment he CAN run 3:33. They do 1km repeats at 2:30.
About the 50% or more, I also think that it is explained by how often the 800m is run. I know a guy who was fully endurance trained with 15:11 5km at the time and 2 weeks later he was able to run a 4:02 1500m and 1:55 just the day after. Way under 50%. I doubt he could have run 3:50 with perfect pacing (he led the whole race).
eliud's 12'46pb is a joke
i saw that race on satellite
he was on for ~ 12'40 if he'd kept running hard in last 2k but shihine was limpeting him & eliud got fed up as no help offered at all
eliud slowed it waiting for last lap sprint which he won, but he couda got close to 12'40 that day if no sihine in the field messing the race up
I always heard he closed in something stupid like 24 for his last 200.
Clayton Murphy wrote:
The real question is, could he break 5 in the mile?
I came here to post these exact words.
Rockstar Games wrote:
Bekele and Kipchoge didn't run 1500m often, so aproaching 3:30 would have been reasonable, given a few more legit tries.
In 2013 I don't think that many people believed that Farah would break 3:29, and Kipchoge PR's would indicate something similar.
At the current moment he CAN run 3:33. They do 1km repeats at 2:30.
About the 50% or more, I also think that it is explained by how often the 800m is run. I know a guy who was fully endurance trained with 15:11 5km at the time and 2 weeks later he was able to run a 4:02 1500m and 1:55 just the day after. Way under 50%. I doubt he could have run 3:50 with perfect pacing (he led the whole race).
I've never known a marathoner who could run anywhere near their mile best off of marathon training. You know nothing about the sport if you think he could go 3:33 right now. Note how your example concerns a guy training for the 5k, which is pretty similar to endurance-based 1500 training. Kenyan marathon training is completely and utterly different. 20-25 mile long runs at low 5:00 pace, 12xk at 2:4x, 5k reps at marathon pace, etc. Very, very little that would produce a high amount of lactate, which you absolutely NEED in order to run at or near your best for 800 or 1500.
My example was meant to mainly argue than the 50% time thing is in most cases because of the lack of races.
Also Kipchoge best would be likely under 3:30 also, so I still stand by my 'idiotic' 3:33. If they run low 5 pace for 20 miles as you say why would you or me doubt he could string out 57 second laps for a full mile?
That guy is fast.
Can we all just agree that Kipchoge is the GROAT (Greatest Range of all time)
ðŸ
what a machine! How do you beat that guy?
He could probably beat 4 of our US guys doing a 10K relay