What's wrong with my running

I'd like to break 17 for the 5k this season. Is this even a possibility?

Are you running the 2 mile at 5000 feet?

Helpme wrote:

I ran a 2 mile in 12:14 on the track recently and a 19:15 for the 3 mile a couple weeks ago. What gives?

(I ran a 3 mile tempo in 19:25 a week before the race and it felt like a tempo, i defiantly wasn't racing it)? Or am I just bad

If the 19:25 felt like a tempo and you all out raced the 19:15, you were just in a bad race with bad competition, had an off day, or the course was much more hilly than your 17 minute 5k race (its likely to be since you were at elevation)

fgmtyr wrote:

Helpme wrote:

I ran a 2 mile in 12:14 on the track recently and a 19:15 for the 3 mile a couple weeks ago. What gives?

(I ran a 3 mile tempo in 19:25 a week before the race and it felt like a tempo, i defiantly wasn't racing it)? Or am I just bad

If the 19:25 felt like a tempo and you all out raced the 19:15, you were just in a bad race with bad competition, had an off day, or the course was much more hilly than your 17 minute 5k race (its likely to be since you were at elevation)

thanks for the response but both were not too hilly, the 19:15 was at altitude, but it was pretty good competition, lots of people around me, and why would I just have 2 off races in a row?

fred wrote:

Are you running the 2 mile at 5000 feet?

yes, but I looked up the change between 5000 ft and 0 ft and you only take off like 10 seconds

I think its more than that

Helpme wrote:

fred wrote:

Are you running the 2 mile at 5000 feet?

yes, but I looked up the change between 5000 ft and 0 ft and you only take off like 10 seconds

1. Depends how long you've been training at altitude (if you've adjusted).

2. Altitude adjustment is 20-30 seconds, and...

3. Altitude affects everyone differently. But most importantly...

4. Even though it's fun, don't worry about your times yet. Have you spoken with your coach? If you have a solid training plan, just stick to it and trust the system--base is training to train. Your big gains will come in-season.

For starters--judging by what you are saying--you are utterly clueless on how to train--go to Amazon and buy a used copy on training by Arthur Lydiard--get the one that has Meyer and Meyer as the publisher. You probably don't even know who Lydiard was. Secondly--don't pay too much attention to what these douche bags on this forum are telling you.

Moved to a higher altitude? WTF--what a waste of time and money--

have you ever heard of building a base? Then moving on to more stressful work like hills and then moving on to track work, then racing? Or are you just doing a hodgepodge of training. It's like weight training--you build the foundation and then move on to more stressful and demanding work.

Shit--no wonder times in road races in this country have gone down steadily in recent decades.

Danno wrote:

For starters--judging by what you are saying--you are utterly clueless on how to train--go to Amazon and buy a used copy on training by Arthur Lydiard--get the one that has Meyer and Meyer as the publisher. You probably don't even know who Lydiard was. Secondly--don't pay too much attention to what these douche bags on this forum are telling you.

Moved to a higher altitude? WTF--what a waste of time and money--

have you ever heard of building a base? Then moving on to more stressful work like hills and then moving on to track work, then racing? Or are you just doing a hodgepodge of training. It's like weight training--you build the foundation and then move on to more stressful and demanding work.

Shit--no wonder times in road races in this country have gone down steadily in recent decades.

Lol um welllll

A. I do know who is Lydiard, I haven't read his book no. I read Daniels Running Formula, but I'm in HS, i have a coach, i dont need to read Lydiard

B. Um i just happened to move to higher altitude, im in high school, i move where my parents move, not my choice.

C. I am building a base. I've been building up miles all summer doing easy runs and tempo runs, that's building a base. That's the plan

D. No not hodgepodge training, with a high school team and coach.

I was just seeing why I'm running so slowly if im running more than ever

yes, i have a solid training plan, so you think I shouldnt worry about my times yet?

Nothing is wrong with your running!!

Altitude may have an affect on you but you'll adjust. Just keep the mileage as high as you can comfortably right now. Run your easy runs slow and make sure your recovering for the workouts and what's most important... RACING!! Higher mileage won't pay off for you until September or October anyway so just trust your current training and stick with it.

Helpme wrote:

yes, i have a solid training plan, so you think I shouldnt worry about my times yet?

Exactly. You want to run more and run more relaxed. Nothing more.