Do you count warm-ups/ cool-downs as part of your weekly mileage?

yes unless they are really slow (~9min miles)

Yes. The point of tracking mileage isn't to congratulate yourself. It is to keep track of work load. Warmup and cool down are still miles on the legs so should be tracked.

Of course.

I also should have added this to the running pet peeves thread: Runners who claim 20, 30, or more minutes as a "warm up" or "cool down". 10 min is the limit for either. Beyond that you're just running.

Otherwise, why not consider my whole 6 mi today a Wu for tomorrow ? I did it all at the same fairly easy pace..

No. But then I don't count my weekly mileage either.

trail hog wrote:

No. But then I don't count my weekly mileage either.

I like the cut of your jib.

The question illustrates the pointlessness of mileage.

The only useless thing about this thread is your comment. Go back to growing pot in your mum's basement or contribute to the conversation.

GFY.

And OP, yes, as long as it is around the same pace of an easy run.

Currently I don't, but that's mainly because I do warm up by time and don't have an idea how many miles it is.

In high school we would just because our coach had us do long warmups and cooldowns to sneak in more miles for us undertrained kids.

Are you running on your warm-ups / cool-downs? If so, then yes, that is mileage.

Miles that I don't count:

Warm-ups

Cool-downs

Recovery in between intervals

Easy runs

Shake-out jogs

Miles where I noticed a woman

Miles where I noticed the scenery

Miles where I'm holding a conversation

Any mile where I stop to get a drink

Repeats where I miss my target

I have never had a week above 5 miles. I don't know how you guys do it!

Booooze hound wrote:

Of course.

I also should have added this to the running pet peeves thread: Runners who claim 20, 30, or more minutes as a "warm up" or "cool down". 10 min is the limit for either. Beyond that you're just running.

Otherwise, why not consider my whole 6 mi today a Wu for tomorrow ? I did it all at the same fairly easy pace..

I don't think you know why it's called "warm up". It's physiology, not pace. On a typical 50 degF morning easy run my body needs 20 minutes. I have done runs on a summer afternoon where I was warmed up just stepping out the door. I have done long runs on a winter morning where it took 45 minutes. Maybe I could warm up more quickly by doing something besides running, but I'm not in a hurry.

OK fine but if your easy run was supposed to be 60 min but you did a 20 min "warm up", all you did was run 80 minutes. Unless the Wu was drills or something other than running. Then if you inexplicably "cooled down" for 20', it was simply a 100 minute run.

Booooze hound wrote:

OK fine but if your easy run was supposed to be 60 min but you did a 20 min "warm up", all you did was run 80 minutes. Unless the Wu was drills or something other than running. Then if you inexplicably "cooled down" for 20', it was simply a 100 minute run.

Have you really never done interval training, a tempo run, or any other sort of non-easy running? Warm-ups and Cool-downs are usually used in this context. As in, "I ran a 3 mile warm-up, ran a workout of 12 x 400m with 70s rest on the track, then ran a 2 mile cool-down."

yee wrote:

yes unless they are really slow (~9min miles)

Wait until you are 50.

Booooze hound wrote:

Of course.

I also should have added this to the running pet peeves thread: Runners who claim 20, 30, or more minutes as a "warm up" or "cool down". 10 min is the limit for either. e..

Wait until you are 50.

Alan Bennet wrote:

Booooze hound wrote:

Of course.

I also should have added this to the running pet peeves thread: Runners who claim 20, 30, or more minutes as a "warm up" or "cool down". 10 min is the limit for either. Beyond that you're just running.

Otherwise, why not consider my whole 6 mi today a Wu for tomorrow ? I did it all at the same fairly easy pace..

I don't think you know why it's called "warm up". It's physiology, not pace. On a typical 50 degF morning easy run my body needs 20 minutes. I have done runs on a summer afternoon where I was warmed up just stepping out the door. I have done long runs on a winter morning where it took 45 minutes. Maybe I could warm up more quickly by doing something besides running, but I'm not in a hurry.

Wait you do a warmup where you run for runs at easy pace? This is dumb and I hope you are referring to warming up for a tempo or a workout. There is also no way you could run a good workout by not doing any warm up at all, even if it's a hot summer day like you described. 10 mins is the bare minimum of running you should do to be warmed up.

The first mile of some easy runs are a little slow but that's fine because they are easy miles, and if your heart rate doesn't get up to the necessary level during the first mile because your legs aren't warmed up enough, then don't count it as mileage. However, heart rate is largely based on effort, so running 8:30 pace when your legs aren't loose is the same effort as running 7:30 pace when they are loose. This is why you have to slow down in the heat, if your normal easy pace in optimal weather is 7:30 per mile than maybe you need to run 8:00 per mile if its 90 degrees out because it takes more effort to run the same pace in the heat as it does in perfect conditions.

yes wrote:

Are you running on your warm-ups / cool-downs? If so, then yes, that is mileage.

Wait until you are 50. At that point, technically, everything is jogging but I still count it as running mileage.

Of course. See the post I replied to for context.

Even so Wu/CD are still miles and 2 or 3 is well beyond necessary Wu/CD in good weather, 3 certainly. I suppose on a cold morning I might run 2 miles before a 5k race.

Whatever. It still counts.

Does your vehicle odometer not function until you reach the interstate?

Sure. The fact that I am intending to use a particular portion of my session as a warmup for harder running does not exclude other benefits or prevent training from occurring. If I jog 20 minutes to my tempo loop, do a 30 minute tempo, and jog 20 minutes home, my body doesn't say "I'm only going to respond to that middle 30 minutes of stimulus, because I know you were just warming up and cooling down for the other 40 minutes."