Just got an update - they escaped a blanket ban. Thoughts? Personally I'm Against the decision
Just got an update - they escaped a blanket ban. Thoughts? Personally I'm Against the decision
Drrrkcikd wrote:
Just got an update - they escaped a blanket ban. Thoughts? Personally I'm Against the decision
IOC, cowardly kicked it back to the individual sport bodies.
I have no problems with blankets in rio
Drrrkcikd wrote:
Just got an update - they escaped a blanket ban. Thoughts? Personally I'm Against the decision
The idea of banning Russia completely was nothing but ridiculous politics.
As it is, all individuals accepted will be harassed and denigrated with overbearing invasive testing, designed to keep them from competing on a level playing field.
The very concept of collective punishment is antithetical to Western justice which, ironically, is/has been foisted on most of the world; yet, when used against those nefarious Russians, it's perfectly fine and fair. It is obvious to those from neutral countries that politics is playing a big part in this.
Ban the cheaters by all means, but clean athletes should not have to suffer for something they did not do.
They realized USA and Kenya are about as bad so they let up.
The punishment is not collective -- it is against a single organization for that organization's actions.
A few important points:
- Each sport will make their own individual decision on Russian athletes' eligibility for Rio. Some sports (like weightlifting) are expected to ban them while others (judo) have already said they are against the ban.
- No Russians who have previous doping bans will be allowed to compete in Rio.
- Supposedly, Russians will have to pass stricter anti-doping checks to be deemed eligible, looking at their "anti-doping record". When the IAAF did this at first I thought it was just a planned loophole, but they were extremely strict only letting 1 athlete (Darya Klishina) into Rio. We'll see how other sports go about this, but I wouldn't expect them to be so strict.
- I hadn't seen this reported previously, but the IOC has ruled that whistleblower Yuliya Stepanova can't compete because "the organisation of the Olympic Games run counter to the recognition of the status of neutral athlete."
Leaving out Stepanova is a horrible call by the IOC if they care about cleaning up the sport. They should want to encourage, not discourage, future whistleblowers. And what am I missing, athletes without a country compete all the time at the Games under the Olympic flag. Stepanova is essentially a refugee as she fled Russia fearing for her life. Botched decision by the IOC.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jul/24/russia-team-escape-blanket-ban-ioc-rio-olympic-games
External Testes wrote:
Drrrkcikd wrote:Just got an update - they escaped a blanket ban. Thoughts? Personally I'm Against the decision
IOC, cowardly kicked it back to the individual sport bodies.
Bullspit.
It takes no balls to slam Russia.
Now banning the US -- that would take some pills.
Good summary.
Not allowing Stepanova is a travesty.
El Keniano wrote:
The very concept of collective punishment is antithetical to Western justice which, ironically, is/has been foisted on most of the world; yet, when used against those nefarious Russians, it's perfectly fine and fair. It is obvious to those from neutral countries that politics is playing a big part in this.
Ban the cheaters by all means, but clean athletes should not have to suffer for something they did not do.
Except for the fact that it was almost every Russian that was involved. From the evidence that has been presented it looks like at least 75%(probably a low estimate) of Russian athleteswho are medal contenders are involved in the scandal. Seriously what do you have to do to get banned?
Punishing the whole might not be a perfect solution. But its not fair to athletes from all the other countries to allow so many highly likely doped athletes in. Even those not doping(if there are any) likely had knowledge of what was going on and were silent. Failure to take action is guilt in the area of doping.
Here is ESPN's take on the semi-ban. The comments are very LRC.
Drrrkcikd wrote:
Just got an update - they escaped a blanket ban. Thoughts? Personally I'm Against the decision
I like the decision I think its wrong to just ban a country. A lot of young Russian athletes did nothing wrong and are clean and deserve a chance. I'm American btw and I don't like the things Russia has done all the time but the Russian athletes are mostly innocent victims caught between opposing Political forces which is wrong for sports.
The Olympics are an out-dated, over-hyped event, not worth the money.
Time to do away with them; the world will be fine without them. The politicians an d contractors can find another way to get bribed.
Bach negotiated this with his Russian buddies. Disgusting.
Soprano wrote:
- I hadn't seen this reported previously, but the IOC has ruled that whistleblower Yuliya Stepanova can't compete because "the organisation of the Olympic Games run counter to the recognition of the status of neutral athlete."
Leaving out Stepanova is a horrible call by the IOC if they care about cleaning up the sport. They should want to encourage, not discourage, future whistleblowers. And what am I missing, athletes without a country compete all the time at the Games under the Olympic flag. Stepanova is essentially a refugee as she fled Russia fearing for her life. Botched decision by the IOC.
Thomas Bach allegedly has a less-than-neutral relationship with Vladimir Putin:
http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4147701-155/olympics-ioc-president-has-sports-personalI imagine that Putin is probably quite pleased that this ruling excludes Stepanova from running.
I expect at least one legal challenge to be lined up now against the IOC. What a mess.
just sayin wrote:
I have no problems with blankets in rio
It's hot in Rio. I think blankets should be banned.
Surprised by the decision.
- I was against punishing the eligible athletes, as it seemed they had little choice in doping
- Looks like Bach passing the buck to let the sports federations decide
- really surprised they would exclude Stepanova
I'm sure much will be made of the Bach-Putin friendship
No surprise here.