Can a 5x 9:10 recruiting class win NCAA XC as college seniors?
Can a 5x 9:10 recruiting class win NCAA XC as college seniors?
Nope
No
Depends
In this hypothetical - how is the rest of the team made up? (prior and following recruiting classes). Or is the team just these 5 guys for 4 years?
If Wetmore gets to coach them and they all respond well to his training.
senorperriera wrote:
If Wetmore gets to coach them and they all respond well to his training.
Yeah then they wouldn't be able to enter at Nats because the whole team would be injured.
Why not? It's unlikely, but there are plenty of guys who finish high at NCAA XC that were 9:10 or slower in HS. I finished around 65th and I was a 925 kid in HS. Look at a team like Portland.
Perhaps D3.
Hypothetical Scenario wrote:
Can a 5x 9:10 recruiting class win NCAA XC as college seniors?
Right but the more 9:10 guys you have, the higher chance that some will develop to place high at NCAA XC Nats and be healthy and fit enough at the right time. With just 5 sub 9:10 guys the likelihood of hitting it big on all 5 is very unlikely, however not impossible.
If you look at some of the very heavy distance oriented teams you'll see that within the same program, with the same coach - it is not uncommon for a guy who was slower than one of his college teammates in HS to become much more competitive while in college.
slicerdicer wrote:
Why not? It's unlikely, but there are plenty of guys who finish high at NCAA XC that were 9:10 or slower in HS. I finished around 65th and I was a 925 kid in HS. Look at a team like Portland.
I'm with this guy.. what percentage of NCAA distance runners broke 9:10 in HS? Is it even the majority?
Wetmore doesn't have a slew of injured athletes on his hands. Get over yourself. If anyone could coach up 5 x 9:10 high school guys to win NCAA cross country nationals it would be Wetmore, but it would probably not happen until they've had a two years to develop.quote]cyclism wrote:
senorperriera wrote:
If Wetmore gets to coach them and they all respond well to his training.
Yeah then they wouldn't be able to enter at Nats because the whole team would be injured.[/quote]
If they were all undertrained and hit that time at 6,000 ft. of altitude, then yes.
If they ran their whole HS careers and hit those times at sea level among good competition, then no.
At the DI level,at the most 2 of the 5 will complete all 4 years there.
You should go back and see what the Oklahoma State's team was composed of when they were placing top 5 and also winning . Pretty interesting.
You need at least 2 runners in the top 15 to win a national title and I would wager almost every recent chapionship team has had at least one in the top 10. How many top 10/top 15 runners from the the past 10 years have been 9:10 guys?
Probably more than you think ran 9:10 or so in high school. Quite a few of the top guys at NCAA's weren't complete studs in high school. (Note: I would consider 9:10 to be a complete stud, but this board is a bunch of idiots who criticize everything.)
Hmmmmmmm wrote:
You need at least 2 runners in the top 15 to win a national title and I would wager almost every recent chapionship team has had at least one in the top 10. How many top 10/top 15 runners from the the past 10 years have been 9:10 guys?
Pierce Murphy was a 9:14 guy
Thehistorymannnnnn wrote:
You should go back and see what the Oklahoma State's team was composed of when they were placing top 5 and also winning . Pretty interesting.
For sure, take 2007 when they were 3rd. Ridiculously "under talented" (if I can use the phrase) in comparison to the four other teams around them, let alone others:
1. 85 Oregon ( 30:12 2:31:00)
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1 1 527 Galen Rupp JR 8:57 15:09 23:39 29:24
2 6 522 Shadrack Kiptoo-Biwott JR 8:57 15:09 23:54 29:56
3 21 526 Diego Mercado SO 8:57 15:09 24:18 30:27
4 27 523 Kenny Klotz SO 8:58 15:10 24:22 30:36
5 30 525 Daniel Mercado SO 8:58 15:10 24:21 30:37
6 (117) 517 Andrew Acosta SO 9:01 15:19 24:56 31:27
7 (162) 530 Scott Wall JR 9:01 15:33 25:25 32:00
2. 113 Iona ( 30:26 2:32:09)
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1 11 300 Abraham Ng'etich SR 8:59 15:12 24:06 30:05
2 18 296 Mohamed Khadraoui JR 8:59 15:12 24:16 30:21
3 22 299 Andrew Ledwith JR 9:00 15:14 24:17 30:29
4 28 301 Harbert Okuti JR 9:00 15:13 24:16 30:36
5 34 298 Mathew Kiplagat SR 9:02 15:24 24:29 30:38
6 (159) 302 Joe Parks SO 9:10 15:41 25:15 31:57
7 (186) 303 Chase Pizzonia JR 9:10 15:43 25:35 32:40
3. 180 Oklahoma State ( 30:34 2:32:47)
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1 8 500 Ryan Vail JR 9:01 15:12 24:06 29:58
2 15 492 David Chirchir SO 9:06 15:24 24:19 30:20
3 42 501 Daniel Watts SO 9:07 15:24 24:33 30:43
4 48 490 Matt Barnes-Smith JR 9:08 15:24 24:34 30:45
5 67 497 David Jankowski SR 9:05 15:24 24:35 31:01
6 (112) 495 Sean Fleming SO 9:13 15:44 25:17 31:26
7 (183) 494 Brian Ehlis SR 9:16 15:55 26:00 32:37
4. 190 Northern Arizona ( 30:31 2:32:32)
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1 2 465 Lopez Lomong JR 8:57 15:09 23:42 29:46
2 7 468 David McNeill FR 8:57 15:10 24:05 29:57
3 36 458 Morten Bostrom SR 8:58 15:12 24:30 30:41
4 61 459 Jon Cardenas SR 8:59 15:15 24:38 30:58
5 84 456 Ben Ashkettle FR 9:12 15:38 25:03 31:10
6 (148) 462 Justin Langdon SR 9:17 15:47 25:20 31:47
7 (166) 467 Eric Lynch SO 9:18 15:50 25:35 32:07
5. 239 Wisconsin ( 30:46 2:33:47)
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1 13 791 Matt Withrow JR 8:57 15:09 24:07 30:09
2 29 781 Stuart Eagon JR 9:06 15:21 24:25 30:37
3 60 785 Landon Peacock FR 9:07 15:25 24:38 30:57
4 65 783 Andrew Lacy SO 9:06 15:25 24:45 31:00
5 72 790 Christian Wagner JR 9:06 15:24 24:45 31:04
6 ( 80) 778 Brandon Bethke SO 9:07 15:22 24:50 31:07
7 (143) 779 Jack Bolas FR 9:16 15:48 25:26 31:43
Thanks for posting that, I couldn't find it exactly I just remember from watching the race. Dave Smith knows how to produce despite last years choke.