EPO doesn't work better than placebo

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7 years ago 07/18/2016 11:04am EDT

re: Jon Orange

Jon Orange wrote:
Citizen Runner wrote:
You're confounding the concepts of capacity and efficiency. That an elite endurance athlete might be unusually efficient does not mean that they can't also have a very high oxygen capacity.
That is, it is advantageous to produce more Watts (to the road) per unit of oxygen. It is also advantageous to be able to process more oxygen. Neither parameter by itself fully defines performance.
A non elite can have a very high aerobic capacity too.

Yes. One can not look at a single parameter and declare it the sole key to elite level success and expect to be taken seriously.

7 years ago 07/18/2016 11:06am EDT

re: Citizen Runner

Citizen Runner wrote:
Jon Orange wrote:
A non elite can have a very high aerobic capacity too.
Yes. One can not look at a single parameter and declare it the sole key to elite level success and expect to be taken seriously.

well, there's ankle flexibility, too...

6 years ago 07/16/2017 11:31pm EDT

re: Renato Casanova

Renato Casanova wrote:
Clearly, EPO work only on elite athlete training altitude. Also must supplement with ugali.

EPO is LESS likely to work on elite athletes because their blood volume (as red blood cells) is already maxed out. Add more RBC's via EPO would just make their blood thicker and slow it down, delivering less blood to the muscles and lungs. This is the opposite of the desired effect. Which is probably why some of the athletes did WORSE on EPO.

6 years ago 07/17/2017 12:04am EDT

re: Richard Grippo

Richard Grippo wrote:
Renato Casanova wrote:
Clearly, EPO work only on elite athlete training altitude. Also must supplement with ugali.
EPO is LESS likely to work on elite athletes because their blood volume (as red blood cells) is already maxed out. Add more RBC's via EPO would just make their blood thicker and slow it down, delivering less blood to the muscles and lungs. This is the opposite of the desired effect. Which is probably why some of the athletes did WORSE on EPO.

What is the matter with you? You have pulled an old thread out of archives just to post something completely wrong.

6 years ago 07/17/2017 12:25am EDT

re: Richard Grippo

Richard Grippo wrote:
EPO is LESS likely to work on elite athletes because their blood volume (as red blood cells) is already maxed out. Add more RBC's via EPO would just make their blood thicker and slow it down, delivering less blood to the muscles and lungs. This is the opposite of the desired effect. Which is probably why some of the athletes did WORSE on EPO.

Did rekrunner put you up to this? Lol. This has already discussed ad nuseam on the Sumgong EPO & Canova EPO doesn't work with top Kenyans threads. Just wait until the next athlete tests positive for rocket fuel and this will start all over again...nothing new there.

6 years ago 07/17/2017 7:06am EDT

re: Jon Orange

Jon Orange wrote:

power is in terms of time, not in terms of distance.

elites go fast because essentially have more power, in great part determined by a longer stride.

In a 10k race elites and amateur consume nearly the same calories, but elites do it in much less time.

6 years ago 07/17/2017 7:09am EDT

re: Zede

You must consider doping a practice, not a single substance.

EPO work with GH and other ormones.

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