Anyone remember the guy as an athlete?
Anyone remember the guy as an athlete?
Personal Bests
Event Result Venue Date
800m 1:46.73 Durham (USA) 27.06.1982
1500m 3:38.12 Zürich (SUI) 15.08.1990
Mile 3:56.82 Toronto (CAN) 19.07.1983
2000m 5:06.98 Stockholm (SWE) 23.07.1986
3000m 7:53.85 Malmö (SWE) 19.08.1986
rojo wrote:
http://www.gettyimages.com/pictures/great-scott-steve-scott-of-the-united-states-leads-the-way-news-photo-502487727Anyone remember the guy as an athlete?
Rojo, it does not matter how good he may have been as an athlete because he cheated. He was just found with a bunch of epo. All his results should be annulled. What is the incentive for athletes to compete clean if they know previous results and medals will stand? If someone is caught at any point in their career in athletics whether as a coach or athlete, everything they've done should be taken off the books and a coach who willingly dopes athletes should be banned for life. No one considers Wang Junxia a great runner, because she cheated. How can you marvel about the times of an athlete who would disregard the rules?
I disagree with just about everything you said. Junxia's times are impressive, doping or not. If Dibaba gets a lifetime ban, her 3:50 was still a work of art and I am still impressed.
There was a time when people said "no ones considers X a great runner, because he wasn't an amateur." Same thing here.
In 30 years, the next generation will laugh at how obsessed we were with stupid things like EPO
Robert Maynard wrote:
In 30 years, the next generation will laugh at how obsessed we were with stupid things like EPO
Ethics are stupid?
Robert Maynard wrote:
I disagree with just about everything you said. Junxia's times are impressive, doping or not. If Dibaba gets a lifetime ban, her 3:50 was still a work of art and I am still impressed.
There was a time when people said "no ones considers X a great runner, because he wasn't an amateur." Same thing here.
In 30 years, the next generation will laugh at how obsessed we were with stupid things like EPO
I completely disagree with this logic.
George II wrote:
Robert Maynard wrote:I disagree with just about everything you said. Junxia's times are impressive, doping or not. If Dibaba gets a lifetime ban, her 3:50 was still a work of art and I am still impressed.
There was a time when people said "no ones considers X a great runner, because he wasn't an amateur." Same thing here.
In 30 years, the next generation will laugh at how obsessed we were with stupid things like EPO
I completely disagree with this logic.
Me too. It's been 30 years since the roided up Eastern Bloc countries set all the throwing records and we're still not impressed with their cheater throws.
Say what you like but it took balls for those
East European women to do what they did
1984 - He got owned by Coe at an LA 1500 heat
2016 - He got owned by Coe for doping
rojo wrote:
http://www.gettyimages.com/pictures/great-scott-steve-scott-of-the-united-states-leads-the-way-news-photo-502487727Anyone remember the guy as an athlete?
Well, based on the mentality and lateral thinking of many on these boards, if there is a photo of Steve Scott with Aden, then surely Scott must have been doped, purely by association?
Ethics are relative. It is a arbitrary line. Altitude training gives an advantage that isn't available to everyone, but no one considers that cheating.
Reverend Doctor King dreamt that everyone should be able to run up to the mountain top. Don't runners dream too?
Robert Maynard wrote: Altitude training gives an advantage that isn't available to everyone, but no one considers that cheating.
Robert Maynard wrote:
Ethics are relative. It is a arbitrary line. Altitude training gives an advantage that isn't available to everyone, but no one considers that cheating.
Why isn't altitude training available to everyone?
Robert Maynard wrote:
In 30 years, the next generation will laugh at how obsessed we were with stupid things like EPO
Actually we're disgusted with you all, and we're much faster now without drugs.
Ebaneezer wrote:
Robert Maynard wrote:Ethics are relative. It is a arbitrary line. Altitude training gives an advantage that isn't available to everyone, but no one considers that cheating.
Why isn't altitude training available to everyone?
Many lower tier countries don't fund that kind of sh*t for their athletes. Traveling is expensive.
Americans have some of the best resources in the world and still can't keep up with the Africans, doping or not.
splitting hairs wrote:
George II wrote:I completely disagree with this logic.
Me too. It's been 30 years since the roided up Eastern Bloc countries set all the throwing records and we're still not impressed with their cheater throws.
Me as well. Nobody will really know what kind of training load she could handle and performances she could produce as a clean athlete. No effect, 3:50? 3:55? 4:00+?
At what point did she start doping? 4:13 , 4:07? Before any of that?
Ebaneezer wrote:
Robert Maynard wrote:Ethics are relative. It is a arbitrary line. Altitude training gives an advantage that isn't available to everyone, but no one considers that cheating.
Why isn't altitude training available to everyone?
Because The Netherlands is below sea level.
rojo wrote:
http://www.gettyimages.com/pictures/great-scott-steve-scott-of-the-united-states-leads-the-way-news-photo-502487727Anyone remember the guy as an athlete?
Think. Neither you nor I was good enough to even get into position to take an asswhipping from Steve Scott. Aden was good.
just sayin wrote:
Say what you like but it took balls for those
East European women to do what they did
Well done; gotta give credit where credit is due. I'm assuming this is a pun.