Weather patterns change a bit and the sea levels rise some, but so what? How is that going to impact my life? Or broadening the scope, why should the human race care at all?
Weather patterns change a bit and the sea levels rise some, but so what? How is that going to impact my life? Or broadening the scope, why should the human race care at all?
the only way to stop climate change is too only allow people to live to a certain age. Only allow certain healthy people to breed. Limit the number of offspring. This won't happen so there's really no reason to worry about something you can't change. 7.5 billion people with Tesla's will stIll have the same carbon footprint as 7 billion people with gasoline cars.
Population doesn't have anything to do with climate change. The concreting of the Earth surface is leading to an increased temperature, this is why cities are hotter than rural areas.
jewbacca wrote:
Weather patterns change a bit and the sea levels rise some, but so what? How is that going to impact my life? Or broadening the scope, why should the human race care at all?
Should you be aware? Yes. Should you generally listen to scientists rather than people who just don't want it to be true? Yes. Are scientists perfect? No. Could things change in the future? Yes. Is it a good idea for a whole host of reasons to do anything reasonable to pollute less? Yes.
jewbacca wrote:
Weather patterns change a bit and the sea levels rise some, but so what? How is that going to impact my life? Or broadening the scope, why should the human race care at all?
Things that are irrelevant include individual day local effects such as "Oh, it is 82 degrees today. Without AGW it would only have been 78 degrees!" So what?
Things that many people care about but many people do not include impacts (extinctions) of many plant and animal species that cannot adapt quickly enough and/or have no place to move.
Things that are potentially quite costly include:
Rising of sea levels and corresponding challenges for shoreline cities
Spread of "tropical" disease, many of which are pretty nasty (and we should be thankful they aren't common in the US or Europe).
Things that are potentially catastrophic include:
Large scale changes to weather patterns which could include dramatic climate changes to certain regions. For instance, the shutdown of the Atlantic conveyor belt could make Europe barely inhabitable. Or turning the US and Canada into desserts. Or drastically altering the amount of water feeding major rivers. All of these could have consequences that are simply incalculable (but likely very unpleasant).
The runaway effect: The extent of possible positive feedback from a warming planet is unknown. An example would be the melting of the ice cap to reduce the reflection of sun rays. A potentially much more significant example would be the release of additional greenhouse gasses on a massive and uncontrollable scale through the melting of the permafrost, etc. This is the biggest unknown. But we only have one planet and one time sequence. It seems prudent to avoid running this global experiment on the only inhabitable planet that we current have available.
Blahbaba wrote:
Population doesn't have anything to do with climate change. The concreting of the Earth surface is leading to an increased temperature, this is why cities are hotter than rural areas.
Population doesn't have anything to do with climate change but cities are hotter than rural areas. Got it.
Where does population live wrote:
Blahbaba wrote:Population doesn't have anything to do with climate change. The concreting of the Earth surface is leading to an increased temperature, this is why cities are hotter than rural areas.
Population doesn't have anything to do with climate change but cities are hotter than rural areas. Got it.
Exactly. Population size and amount of concrete mirror each other.
Are there models for these? I would like to know how much temperature increase it would take to turn North America into a desert, for example. The rest seems inconvenient but managable and no reason to panic.
The reason I ask is that obviously climate change is not new to planet Earth. It seems to me that increased temperatures would lead to longer growing seasons and greater uptake of greenhouse gases. Our dependence on fossil fuels has an expiration date, so really it seems to be a question of how much damage are we going to do until then.
If you invest wisely based on some statistical data, you can make $$$$$
jewbacca wrote:
Or broadening the scope, why should the human race care at all?
By and large, the human race doesn't care. People in developing nations and undeveloped nations don't care. China doesn't care. India doesn't care. The only people who do care are...
- Liberals in the US.
- Liberals in the EU.
- 3rd world despots who plan to keep their people in poverty while collecting millions in carbon credits from the United States, and...
- The United Nations
- The CRU and scientists worldwide who are dependent on climate change to fund their research.
Because it is a way to funnel tax dollars to favoured giant corporations. Liberals love crony capitalism. If you love crony capitalism then you should support climate change.
The runaway effect is "manageable"?
Sorry, I mistook your initial post for an honest inquiry.
http://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/blog/2016/04/parisagreementsingatures/fisky wrote:
By and large, the human race doesn't care. People in developing nations and undeveloped nations don't care. China doesn't care. India doesn't care. The only people who do care are...
- Liberals in the US.
- Liberals in the EU.
- 3rd world despots who plan to keep their people in poverty while collecting millions in carbon credits from the United States, and...
- The United Nations
- The CRU and scientists worldwide who are dependent on climate change to fund their research.
Oops! It looks like the only people who aren't buying in are American Conservatives and petro-states.
Dora the Agoraphobiac wrote:
fisky wrote:http://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/blog/2016/04/parisagreementsingatures/By and large, the human race doesn't care. People in developing nations and undeveloped nations don't care. China doesn't care. India doesn't care. The only people who do care are...
- Liberals in the US.
- Liberals in the EU.
- 3rd world despots who plan to keep their people in poverty while collecting millions in carbon credits from the United States, and...
- The United Nations
- The CRU and scientists worldwide who are dependent on climate change to fund their research.
Oops! It looks like the only people who aren't buying in are American Conservatives and petro-states.
He says United Nations are one of the few entities who care and then you link to the UN website. LOL.
fisky wrote:
jewbacca wrote:Or broadening the scope, why should the human race care at all?
By and large, the human race doesn't care. People in developing nations and undeveloped nations don't care. China doesn't care. India doesn't care. The only people who do care are...
- Liberals in the US.
- Liberals in the EU.
- 3rd world despots who plan to keep their people in poverty while collecting millions in carbon credits from the United States, and...
- The United Nations
- The CRU and scientists worldwide who are dependent on climate change to fund their research.
The banks and large corporations are going to find a way to profit from the crackdown on climate change as well.
I can 100% guarantee that, much like the sustainable development aid money that already flows from the developed to developing nations, there will be major strings attached to the money that they receive to fight climate change. It will be used to prop up favorable regimes as well as give lucrative contracts to American and European corporations. The whole thing will essentially be another transfer of wealth from the middle-class to large corporations. Bet on it!
Big business spent decades fighting climate science and now, all of a sudden, most of these people are on board (maybe not the Kochs). They just needed time to find a way to make money off of it. Never let a good crisis go to waste!
Then there is the geoengineering that's been happening over recent years, whereby nano-particles of aluminum and other reflective metals are being sprayed into the atmosphere in order to reduce the amount of solar radiation reaching the Earth's surface. Aluminum is highly toxic to plants and is being found in extremely high concentrations in precipitation over areas that are being sprayed. It's also toxic to humans. Additionally, less sunlight reaching the Earth's surface is itself bad for plants and there is less evaporation, which leads to drought.
Monsanto to the rescue! They sell genetically engineered seeds that are both drought resistant and aluminum resistant. Bill Gates is a huge proponent of geoengineering and also owns a massive amount of shares in Monsanto.
Then there is the recent addition to the financial markets called weather derivatives, whereby you can make money off of climate disasters. The American military has been using cloud seeding to control weather systems since the Vietnam War. While I'm not aware of any hard evidence to prove that the people in charge of seeding the clouds are working with financial institutions and extremely wealthy individuals to profit, the potential exists. Betting on climate futures should be outlawed.
You can learn more about the geoengineering that's going on in NATO countries with nary a peep from the mainstream media here:
http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/Really? Who is doing this spraying of nano-particles into the atmosphere? Who is approving this? Who is financing this?
Of course you could cite some tiny experiments to test feasibility. Were you simply being purposefully deceitful by trying to get folks to think that such geoengineering is already underway?
I see. So companies will try to figure out how to profit from this issue? This is news? This implies that the issue itself is some sort of conspiracy?
In that case you must agree that companies never try to profit from any real issues on any topic that impact human decisions and actions. Is that what you are trying to say?
You should care because--the occasional El Nino winter aside--a pattern of Arctic air's funneling to the northeastern United States during the winter appears to be developing.
The results: the relatively tough--in the NE!--winters of 2013-14 and 2014-15, and the dreadful, cold "late spring" of 2016.
And why should you care about *that*? Because I live in NYC, and these recent cold winters/spring have been slipping the meat to my sensitive personality. In other words, you should care about climate change if you care about me.
And I know you do.
LOL Cool wrote:
I see. So companies will try to figure out how to profit from this issue? This is news? This implies that the issue itself is some sort of conspiracy?
In that case you must agree that companies never try to profit from any real issues on any topic that impact human decisions and actions. Is that what you are trying to say?
I believe that anthropogenic climate change is happening and I've posted under this name, saying as much many times over probably the last 8 years or so.
However, it is my opinion that the effects of the sh*t that's being sprayed into our atmosphere is more harmful than the effects of a warmer climate. There were many huge and extremely rapid oscillations in temperature during the ice ages and at many other times throughout Earth's history. The planet is indeed imperiled by our actions, but climate change is a very small part of the problem.
I'm just trying to inform some of those on the left, who have good intentions and are all for saving the environment, that the plans that are currently in place are more about enriching the elites than about saving the planet.
To the other guy, I placed a link to geoengineeringwatch.org at the bottom of my last post.
jewbacca wrote:
Weather patterns change a bit and the sea levels rise some, but so what? How is that going to impact my life? Or broadening the scope, why should the human race care at all?
Well, you're obviously trolling, but one obvious answer is that you already are paying more through taxes, insurance and other costs to cover the effects of climate change. And that will continue to grow. But hey that doesn't affect you with your head in the sand.