Ryan Hall: a dozen eggs per day (yes, that's 84 eggs per week !!!!)

I see some similarities between Webb and Hall, albeit in slightly different manifestations.

Both burned very bright when things were right. But when things went wrong, their temperaments pushed them in the wrong direction. It is clear that Hall needed a coach to reign him back in. Anyone who has been running for a couple of years could have told him he was overtrained. Webb was the same way. Needed someone to hold him back on the speedwork and weight sessions as he would go nuts when things were going poorly.

Depending on an elite's temperament, a coach's biggest job may be to protect them from overtraining and keep them psychologically balanced when things aren't going well.

Hall is really enjoying himself now after years of self-denial but.... if he's not careful, he'll eat himself right into another 'crisis of conscience'. One things for sure, he's gonna do it "his way" and no coach or personal trainer is gonna tell him what he should or shouldn't be doing! He'll be sing Sinatra's "My Way" all the way to a 'Triple Bypass'!

Surprised nobody else has mentioned that he is not that ripped in that picture. His chest arms and shoulders are bigger but he doesn't even have very defined abs. Now way he gained 40 lbs of muscle. Maybe 15-20.

Anyone who thinks this is good is an idiot. He's killing himself eating 12 eggs a day. He will be dead before 55 from a heart attack or stroke.

1956 called and wants it's dietary dogma back.

Sbeefyk1 wrote:

Anyone who thinks this is good is an idiot. He's killing himself eating 12 eggs a day. He will be dead before 55 from a heart attack or stroke.

WHO CARES

GO AWAY

HE IS RETIRED

WHO CARES

GO AWAY

HE IS RETIRED

Right. But my point is that he could have run substantially faster than 62 and 27:40s if he increased volume as a younger man. The payoff would not have been worth it for him though as his main focus was 1500/5k. My whole argument is not about lagat though, who if anything may be an exception to the rule as he is one of the most talented runners of all time so basing any sort of logic on his running may be a fallacy in itself. My argument is in order to achieve world class success at half to marathon you need volume in your training. Sometimes overdoing the volume will lead to bigger breakthroughs but In the long term could lead to burnout.

I know a lot of ex professional distance runners who are broken after their career. Many you wouldn't even know that they retired from injuries or other problems but now when they run they can't go more than a couple miles without a calf strain or other pain. It is actually normal for people to retire from all professional sports because of their body breaking down. Look at Bekele, effectively running on one good leg. Tadese, shadow of his former self. Ritz. Webb. Teg. Solinsky. Kennedy. Etc etc. it's very normal for runners to get hurt and retire or their bodies to break down. Just with hall he didn't get hurt. His body was so durable he could train forever without injury but it depleted him in other ways. Just because you ran in college and are fine now does not mean you trained like a pro for 10-15 years. Get back to me when you do and let's see how your body holds up.

Yep. If hall had a good consistent coach to reign him in, he would have been the best in the world.

The best athletes want to do nothing but train their balls off. It's their compulsion. They need a circuit breaker to balance loading/stress and recovery. It's the reason lagat, meb, manzano etc... Have lasted so long and are fast when they need to be.

My Way or else wrote:

One thing we have learned from Ryan Hall's career, now that we can reflect on it, is that God is a lousy distance coach.

but better than Jack Daniels apparently.

My Way or else wrote:

One thing we have learned from Ryan Hall's career, now that we can reflect on it, is that God is a lousy distance coach.

Ryan did run his 2:04:58 at Boston and his 2:09:30 at the Olympic Trials during his coached-by-God period. How much better would he have done with a better coach?

People quit because of injury, like Bekele, who has had multiple surgeries on his calf. That is normal I'll agree.

Being completely depleted to the point that stirring a chilli tires you out and having no energy to live normal life is not normal. That is overtraining. It leads to reduced performance. It is a real thing and many people are guilty of it.

If Hall didn't have kids now then I bet he would make a comeback having realised he is actually fine and just ran too hard. A bit of rest and recuperation has done him wonders. He is only 33. That's a fine age for marathons.

LeFou wrote:

When my buddy was a lad, he used to eat 4 dozen eggs EVERY MORNING to help him get large. Now that he's grown he eats 5 DOZEN eggs. He's roughly the size of a barge.

Video evidence -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNlpuD42_BM&t=1m59s

lol

Seehttp://eatingacademy.com/how-a-low-carb-diet-affected-my-athletic-performancePeople on keto diets do eat a lot of fat and have good blood panels. It may not be good for other reasons, I don't know.Dr. Peter Attia show he was able to workout at 160 heart-beats/min before going anerobic on a keto diet and before the keto diet could only manage 106 beats/min if I remember correctly.

Tyranosaurus Rexing wrote:

disgraceful_admin wrote:

Please elaborate and include recent peer-reviewed science showing that dietary cholesterol above the FDA allowance is strongly implicated in cardiovascular disease within timeframes of ~1 year as you suggest.

1. Just because the studies that show the strongest evidence that cholesterol is bad for you are the oldest ones, doesn't mean they're not true

2. It's common sense, cholesterol is bad for you, so don't eat it. You also don't eat a pound of butter per day, do you?

Anon wrote:

See

http://eatingacademy.com/how-a-low-carb-diet-affected-my-athletic-performance

People on keto diets do eat a lot of fat and have good blood panels. It may not be good for other reasons, I don't know.

Dr. Peter Attia show he was able to workout at 160 heart-beats/min before going anerobic on a keto diet and before the keto diet could only manage 106 beats/min if I remember correctly.

Tyranosaurus Rexing wrote:

1. Just because the studies that show the strongest evidence that cholesterol is bad for you are the oldest ones, doesn't mean they're not true

2. It's common sense, cholesterol is bad for you, so don't eat it. You also don't eat a pound of butter per day, do you?

He gives a good description of respiratory quotient but he only has data of one person...which is himself. His lactate threshold improved. His VO2max decreased from 63 ml/kg/min to 56 ml/kg/min., which would not be desired by a distance runner. He then says that VO2max would only be important in a short 400m race. That statement is false. It is important in all middle distance and distance races. He also refers to VO2max as an "anaerobic cap". He also has no before and after races or time trials. He has only physiological test results.

What would be more interesting would be before and after physiological tests with before and after races/time trials with lots of athletes rather than his blog ideas that have false statements.

Oh well.

You know how doctors will put a balloon on the end of a wire, and thread it into your coronary artery, and then inflate the ballon to hold it open?

Well why don't they just thread a pipe cleaner in there and scrape that goopy arterial plaque out of there? Propping it open is just a temporary fix. Just scrape the stuff out of there, why not. Put a little saw on the end of the wire.

Bad Wigins wrote:

You know how doctors will put a balloon on the end of a wire, and thread it into your coronary artery, and then inflate the ballon to hold it open?

Well why don't they just thread a pipe cleaner in there and scrape that goopy arterial plaque out of there? Propping it open is just a temporary fix. Just scrape the stuff out of there, why not. Put a little saw on the end of the wire.

Yes. I think I have heard of something like that. The real secret is to not develop atherosclerosis in the first place. I am not going to tell you the secret because I suspect that you might be British.

What we could do is to thread a pipe cleaner into your cerebral cortex and scrape some goop out of there. Why not? Put a little saw on the end of the wire? Sure. Why not?

Then we will put a balloon on the end of a wire and inflate the balloon to hold your cerebral cortex open.

Why not?

There are several people at this forum that we would enjoy doing the same procedure on that are also British…like Anthony Hopkins…who played Dr. Lecter…a famous doping doctor that enjoyed eating liver or brains with a nice bottle of wine.

Why not?

(good spelling in your post Bad Wigins…well done)