• ExpertKipWatcher
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      • RE: apersson recants 10/4/2016 4:16AM - in reply to Trinity1976
      • ExpertKipWatcher
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      • Trinity1976 wrote:
        "Rob remains our hero. The report was biased, written by a troll."

        Takes delusional to a new level.
        There comes a point where "loyalty" is just a cover for an inability to accept that you can be deceived and Cognitive Dissonance kicks in whereby it becomes easier to accept any amount of crazy ideas. This is how cults are born.
        Fair play to "Coach" Kev and A Persson - possibly the lesson is that you should not be so trusting of "nice" people you think you know and not be so distrustful of "nasty" people you don't know bluntly telling you something else. You never learn anything useful by hearing what you want to hear.
    • British basement dweller
      • RE: apersson recants 10/4/2016 4:20AM - in reply to Trinity1976
      • British basement dweller
      • I don't think that Phil Turner is a real person. Its either Dustin or RY or someone else in on the deception. That account was also accusing Lindley Chambers of being a troll as well. Before Lindley was presumably blocked and his comments deleted. 'phil' also posted on a comment on the run4peace group. That still has a picture of Rob on that pages header, although I doubt RY would turn up. Surely not?
    • Trinity1976
      • RE: apersson recants 10/4/2016 5:05AM - in reply to British basement dweller
      • Trinity1976
      • Yes, it's possible Phil Turner is just a pseudonym for Rob or Dustin. He does seem way too much of a sap to be real. But you never know!

        There doesn't seem to be much activity on the run4peace site. I doubt the event will go ahead if what I've read about the numbers of sign ups is true.

        Out of interest has anyone contacted 'Dreams Come True'? Rob has described himself as am ambassador for this charity, but he is not listed as such on their website. I'm unsure as to whether they have already dropped him, their website is inaccurate or he was never an ambassador in the first place.
    • dustbinbr
      • RE: apersson recants 10/4/2016 6:08AM - in reply to Trinity1976
      • dustbinbr
      • Trinity1976 wrote:
        It's a shame you guys who are not in the UK are unable to access Rob's Facebook page anymore.
        You don't have to be in the UK, you just have to change your FB location.
    • follower from RUS
      • RE: apersson recants 10/4/2016 6:24AM - in reply to dustbinbr
      • follower from RUS
      • (Un)fortunately it seems you have to have a UK IP address somehow. In Russia I can't access "cheating MarathomManUK" FB page either.
    • Racergirl
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      • RE: apersson recants 10/4/2016 6:53AM - in reply to Trinity1976
      • Racergirl
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      • Trinity1976 wrote:
        Out of interest has anyone contacted 'Dreams Come True'? Rob has described himself as am ambassador for this charity, but he is not listed as such on their website. I'm unsure as to whether they have already dropped him, their website is inaccurate or he was never an ambassador in the first place.
        Yes, I made contact with their Trustees when this kicked off, as they have a duty of due diligence and good governance to consider where and how funds are raised for them. I had a comprehensive, polite, reply from the Chair himself: they are well aware of the regulations and guidance of the Charity Commission. I have no doubt this will be raised at their next Board meeting, when they can make a decision about whether or not to maintain their relationship with RY.
    • Racergirl
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      • RE: apersson recants 10/4/2016 6:56AM - in reply to Racergirl
      • Racergirl
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      • Typed too soon - you're right, he has already been removed on their website. Although for LRers it's a no-brainer, as a charity it's a tough call between needing those funds (which are auditable and above board here in the UK) and having to consider under what circumstances and by whom those funds are raised. If RY has genuinely raised £200,000 for them (for the US amongst you, post-Brexit this amounts to about $13.76) then it's a tough call to wave goodbye to that.
    • Trinity1976
      • RE: apersson recants 10/4/2016 6:56AM - in reply to Racergirl
      • Trinity1976
      • Racergirl wrote:
        Yes, I made contact with their Trustees when this kicked off, as they have a duty of due diligence and good governance to consider where and how funds are raised for them. I had a comprehensive, polite, reply from the Chair himself: they are well aware of the regulations and guidance of the Charity Commission. I have no doubt this will be raised at their next Board meeting, when they can make a decision about whether or not to maintain their relationship with RY.
        Fantastic stuff.
    • dustbinbr
      • RE: apersson recants 10/4/2016 7:14AM - in reply to follower from RUS
      • dustbinbr
      • follower from RUS wrote:
        (Un)fortunately it seems you have to have a UK IP address somehow. In Russia I can't access "cheating MarathomManUK" FB page either.
        I don't think so, I am not in the UK and haven't been for a long time, but I changed my FB "Lives in ..." to a place in England.


        ----

        Rob Young has withdrawn from Run4Peace 2016. Adam Holland is now set to be the sole athlete completing all 1,000km of the relay. Full statement here: http://run4peace.co.uk/adam-ho...eace-2016/

        "Rob Young – who completed a 2,200+ mile torch relay for the Aegis Trust with Adam Holland in 2015 – has decided to withdraw in order to avoid attention being diverted from the cause. This follows an investigation indicating that he received unauthorised assistance during his 2016 World Record attempt for the fastest run across the United States."

        ---

        Btw, I am already hating the words "received unauthorised assistance". Just say that he cheated, please.
    • Dirk Diggler..
      • RE: apersson recants 10/4/2016 8:03AM - in reply to dustbinbr
      • Dirk Diggler..
      • So if I were to do the 3 marathons in 30 hr challenge... At my peak I was a low 2:40 guy. (It is a stretch to believe RY is or ever was one. Maybe he is a low 3 hr guy)....

        I would jog the first marathon in about 4+ hrs taking a couple of gallowalking breaks in the middle. I might then eat a meal and rest two hrs and get started on the second one in the high 3 hr range or whatever it was. I think I could do that. It would still really suck running that many miles.

        The challenge is the last marathon in 3:19 - easy when you are fresh. But by now you've run about 8 hrs on your legs and have less than one day to recover. I would admit it would be tough - sounds easy on paper but I don't think it is. I think I could probably gut it out (no pun intended) but I would not enjoy it in the least. I don't think a 3 hr marathoner could do it.
    • triathleteguru
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      • RE: apersson recants 10/4/2016 8:14AM - in reply to Dirk Diggler..
      • triathleteguru
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      • I have almost identical PRs to Rob Young's real PRs with a PR of 3:06:45 in the marathon. I don't think the challenge would be difficult, especially if I had the time to train. As far as I know, Rob has plenty of time to train.
    • elephino
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      • RE: apersson recants 10/4/2016 8:24AM - in reply to triathleteguru
      • elephino
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      • triathleteguru wrote:
        I have almost identical PRs to Rob Young's real PRs with a PR of 3:06:45 in the marathon. I don't think the challenge would be difficult, especially if I had the time to train. As far as I know, Rob has plenty of time to train.
        Forget the challenges. The question is not whether Rob can do these stunts, it's whether he did (hint: he didn't).

        We know he can run a long ways, maybe even run quickly. The guy who ran 60 miles with Rob thought it was after Rob had already run nearly 300 miles. That wasn't true, but Rob did run 60 miles straight and probably at least some before that.

        In the Transcon con, Rob was by his own account 20 lbs heavy and out of shape and was going to run himself into shape during the con. He didn't run what he said he did, but he did run quite a bit. If he got himself in shape, he could easily do the 3 marathon challenge.

        There's no challenge that will disprove his claims, and no reason for a challenge because he's already been outed as a cheater.
    • Dirk Diggler..
      • RE: apersson recants 10/4/2016 8:25AM - in reply to triathleteguru
      • Dirk Diggler..
      • triguru - I don't know you obviously, I certainly admire all you have done in the Rossi and this thread. However, I doubt you could come within 12 minutes of your marathon PR after running two other marathons within about 24 hrs. You would have to train substantially and get a lot faster and be able to tolerate a lot of pounding on your legs. IMHO.
    • John Coctostan
      • RE: apersson recants 10/4/2016 8:26AM - in reply to Frank Spinner
      • John Coctostan
      • Frank Spinner wrote:
        ultralister wrote:
        Apersson recanted on the ultralist. Not sure if he has posted here in awhile, but at least one of Rob's defenders has seen the light.

        "I'm sure everyone is sick of this subject by now but I feel I owe some sort
        of apology. Not sure exactly what for, naivety I guess. Early on in the
        saga I waded in with a cobbled together defense based on the few times I
        had run with RY. It didn't take too long for me to realise that people who
        knew a lot more about the subject were showing how it could not have been
        possibly legit, so I decided to take my own advice and shut up until it was
        all over. In the meantime I was doing some research along with others to
        see if we could find verification for the sleepless 373 run, of which I had
        run 60 miles up to the 350 point. Ironically, it was digging deep into that
        run that convinced me it had to be fake too. Crews from early parts of the
        run (at least the first 200 miles) were impossible to track down, no strava
        data available and various other factors pointed to it not being a
        legitimate run. I know that many on here question the worth of such
        'records' anyway, but for me it had been something I was fascinated by, so
        I had offered to support. Although what I've said will probably be of no
        surprise to people, most of the discussion at the time seems to have
        centred around the validity of such records, what constitutes sleep and
        whether Kouros's throwaway noisy planes comment meant he should hold it
        anyway. There seems to have been little questioning of whether it had
        actually happened as stated at all. How easily we, or rather some of us,
        can be fooled!

        Anyway I have come out of it maybe a little wiser and happy to have
        discovered this list and had some good exchanges with people on here. I
        don't know if my own JOGLE run counts as a journey run but although I am an
        Englishman and it was for charity, there were no records or crowdfunding
        involved and I have absolutely no backstory to speak of. So I'm hoping that
        whoever Laz votes for will still allow me into the country one day.

        I feel more sorry for Rob than angry although that's 60 miles of my life
        I'll never get back. I reckon he started off with good intentions but got
        addicted to the adulation. I hope he gets the help he needs to get through
        the mess he has created."
        Oh dear - looks like his 'longest run without sleep' was total BS too. I remember it being picked up earlier in this thread - there were a bunch of people in the early stages who were supposedly listed as running with Rob as support and for verification. Many of the names sounded fictitious; Andy seems to confirm this.

        Andy and Kev were quite the vociferous double act for a while on this thread. Interesting that both have now folded... takes some guts to admit you f'ed up.
        I ran with Robert during his 373 mile run.
    • rojo
      co-founder
      • RE: When will Rob run again? 10/4/2016 8:56AM - in reply to 3 Marathons Isn't That Far
      • rojo
        co-founder
      • 3 Marathons Isn't That Far wrote:
        Running 78.6 miles in 30 hours would not be a remarkable or difficult accomplishment. Based on the results of the latest USATF 24 Hour race results, 1/3 of the field accomplished this distance in 24 hours or less. I think you'd be out $100,000.

        2016 USATF 24 Hour Race Results - North Coast 24:

        http://verticalrunnerrm.com/as...64ba83.pdf
        That's not what I'm asking. I'm asking for 3 marathons. Wake up one day, run the first one in 4:07 or faster. That night run one in 3:28 and then only sleep 4 hours and run a third one the next morning in 3:19.

        My brother is now 43. He ran 28:06 for 10,000. He's is good shape for a 40-year old and could break 3:00 in the marathon. There is NO WAY he could do that however. How old is Rossi?

        HE was never an elite runner. I think there is no way he could do it either.
    • triathleteguru
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      • RE: apersson recants 10/4/2016 9:00AM - in reply to Dirk Diggler..
      • triathleteguru
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      • Dirk Diggler.. wrote:
        However, I doubt you could come within 12 minutes of your marathon PR after running two other marathons within about 24 hrs. You would have to train substantially and get a lot faster and be able to tolerate a lot of pounding on your legs. IMHO.
        You are right in that I would have to train substantially and get faster. But, I wouldn't advise anyone to wager $100,000 on me not being able to! With Rossi, it was too big an improvement, the $100k was safe. With Rob, there's no telling what he is actually able to do. I agree with Elephino, I don't think there is a need for the challenge, he is a cheater!
    • triathleteguru
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      • RE: When will Rob run again? 10/4/2016 9:05AM - in reply to rojo
      • triathleteguru
        registered
      • rojo wrote:
        That's not what I'm asking. I'm asking for 3 marathons. Wake up one day, run the first one in 4:07 or faster. That night run one in 3:28 and then only sleep 4 hours and run a third one the next morning in 3:19.
        I would advise against this challenge! Your brother might not be able to do this because his legs aren't conditioned to take the pounding. But, an ultra runner with much worse credentials than your brother might be able to, I wouldn't risk the $100k.

        You are much better off spending $10k and do some investigative reporting, hire a private eye or two and dig into his backstory. Contact Andy Persson, write a follow up to your most recent article and expose him even more! BTW, thanks for not holding back with your article!
    • Flying Scotsman
      • RE: When will Rob run again? 10/4/2016 9:10AM - in reply to ExpertKipWatcher
      • Flying Scotsman
      • ExpertKipWatcher wrote:
        Be careful wrote:
        Be careful, his early splits for 2015 London Marathon are 5k 17:31, 10k 36:31, and half 01:22:18.

        He ended up finishing in 3:07 (he claims to have done a 20 minute interview during the marathon), but he's not the slouch some people on here make him out to be.

        I'd like to see him replicate his 10k PB or tell us which official race he ran it in. That'd be worth some money.
        Given his total lack of pacing ability I would suggest that these are his de facto PRs for those distances and he blew up around 20 miles that day.

        I passed him about 18 miles that day (he was still in his phase of running in a kilt so pretty recognisable - I remember lots of people encouraging him as they went by because at that stage I think most, including me, had heard him interviewed on programmes like Marathon Talk and hadn't clicked that he's a fraud) and I ran 2.53 so I reckon you're right about the last few miles!