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data manipulator wrote:

Dick Puke wrote:
Here's exactly what I would do: I would do this everyday. First, I'd wake up in the morning, record my location and start time in a physical log. (Pen and paper). I would snap a photo using location. (literally all this takes is a cell phone nowadays, any iPhone can do this). I would start my GPS watch (that records cadence) and I would run. I wouldn't ever stop my watch, as a deuce break, a food break, etc can all be seen on the data. At the end of my run, stop the watch, take a picture, log it physically. If you rest and go back out the same day, repeat the process. Finally, I would upload all that data daily to a public site like Strava and Facebook.

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That scenario could be conned easily. Have a friend capable of similar paces and HR run for you many of the days. Or bike parts of it slowly at 4-6 mph and manipulate the cadence and HR on your computer in a spreadsheet before uploading. You would need 24/7 non-stop video for it to be credible, along with data.

Running through the night is rather smart. Cooler temps. Less sun exposure. Less traffic.

When Jennifer Pharr Davis set the AT record around 46 mpd. She says that she never really hiked fast. She just was constantly going slowly.

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Jack Rossi wrote:
LetsRun, war is on.

Post the link to where he said this so we can reply, posting a link to his FB profile does nothing for us...
https://www.facebook.com/james.white.56884761?fref=ufi&rc=p

James White "Have a look at Letsrun"...great advice...if you want opinions from tin hat wearing, sweaty, fat, conspiracist theorists sitting in their mums basement with nothing better to do than make up shit from anonymous accounts about a subject they know * all about.

Rob has said he will provide proof. Let's take a look at that when it comes out and I've no doubt that it'll prove him honourable. Until then Markus why don't you refrain from rehashing the same tired arguments and piss off back down that hole you crawled out of.

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Dick Puke wrote:

data manipulator wrote:

Dick Puke wrote:
Here's exactly what I would do: I would do this everyday. First, I'd wake up in the morning, record my location and start time in a physical log. (Pen and paper). I would snap a photo using location. (literally all this takes is a cell phone nowadays, any iPhone can do this). I would start my GPS watch (that records cadence) and I would run. I wouldn't ever stop my watch, as a deuce break, a food break, etc can all be seen on the data. At the end of my run, stop the watch, take a picture, log it physically. If you rest and go back out the same day, repeat the process. Finally, I would upload all that data daily to a public site like Strava and Facebook.

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That scenario could be conned easily. Have a friend capable of similar paces and HR run for you many of the days. Or bike parts of it slowly at 4-6 mph and manipulate the cadence and HR on your computer in a spreadsheet before uploading. You would need 24/7 non-stop video for it to be credible, along with data.

Running through the night is rather smart. Cooler temps. Less sun exposure. Less traffic.

When Jennifer Pharr Davis set the AT record around 46 mpd. She says that she never really hiked fast. She just was constantly going slowly.

That's fair, BUT, did Jennifer Pharr Davis have 24/7 video? Did Jurek? Their records aren't called into question because they provided data and had witnesses finding them at all points throughout their run. If you provided the data that I spoke of, you would be credible UNTIL proven otherwise. I guess I would add on a live tracker, so that at any point, at any time, someone could sneak up and find out what's going on.

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Notsofast1 wrote:

Dick Puke wrote:

data manipulator wrote:

Dick Puke wrote:
Here's exactly what I would do: I would do this everyday. First, I'd wake up in the morning, record my location and start time in a physical log. (Pen and paper). I would snap a photo using location. (literally all this takes is a cell phone nowadays, any iPhone can do this). I would start my GPS watch (that records cadence) and I would run. I wouldn't ever stop my watch, as a deuce break, a food break, etc can all be seen on the data. At the end of my run, stop the watch, take a picture, log it physically. If you rest and go back out the same day, repeat the process. Finally, I would upload all that data daily to a public site like Strava and Facebook.

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That scenario could be conned easily. Have a friend capable of similar paces and HR run for you many of the days. Or bike parts of it slowly at 4-6 mph and manipulate the cadence and HR on your computer in a spreadsheet before uploading. You would need 24/7 non-stop video for it to be credible, along with data.

Running through the night is rather smart. Cooler temps. Less sun exposure. Less traffic.

When Jennifer Pharr Davis set the AT record around 46 mpd. She says that she never really hiked fast. She just was constantly going slowly.

That's fair, BUT, did Jennifer Pharr Davis have 24/7 video? Did Jurek? Their records aren't called into question because they provided data and had witnesses finding them at all points throughout their run. If you provided the data that I spoke of, you would be credible UNTIL proven otherwise. I guess I would add on a live tracker, so that at any point, at any time, someone could sneak up and find out what's going on.

Their records aren't called into question because they are unofficial records.There are no legit, scrutinized and officially recognized records of the Appalachian Trail except by fans.

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stevepope wrote:
Hi my name is Steve Pope and this is my first post on Lets Run. I've never met Rob Young and hadn't heard of him before I was shown this thread by Chris Finill, with whom I ran across the USA in 2011.

I do not believe Rob's distance claims for the early part of the run, but would change my mind if presented with GPS data that backed them up along with real proof of an ability level at Ultradistance running that was on a par with what is required to carry out this feat.

Now, a question for you on this forum:

I stopped running ultras after 2011 to concentrate on the shorter distances, but I must confess that this fascinating thread has got me interested in trying for a fast Trans America crossing before I get too old. What is the level of proof that I should aim for?

Well done to all of you for your hard work in exposing a fraud, by the way.

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not a walker wrote:
So how does this Sri Chimnoy 3100 mile race compare to the transcon. Some Swede won SC3100 last year in 40 days 9 hours. Averaged 76 mpd. But that's a very controlled environment, circling a 6/10 mile city block. No hills or mountains or desert.
http://3100.srichinmoyraces.or...ecord-time

That's jog/walking 4.5 to 5 mph for 16 hours a day. Or 12:00 to 13:20 mile pace. For runners, that sounds easy except for the cumulative effect of little recovery time for 6 straight weeks. Then it's not easy.

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stevepope wrote:
Hi my name is Steve Pope and this is my first post on Lets Run. I've never met Rob Young and hadn't heard of him before I was shown this thread by Chris Finill, with whom I ran across the USA in 2011.

I do not believe Rob's distance claims for the early part of the run, but would change my mind if presented with GPS data that backed them up along with real proof of an ability level at Ultradistance running that was on a par with what is required to carry out this feat.

Now, a question for you on this forum:

I stopped running ultras after 2011 to concentrate on the shorter distances, but I must confess that this fascinating thread has got me interested in trying for a fast Trans America crossing before I get too old. What is the level of proof that I should aim for?

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stevepope wrote:
Can data be modified from a Garmin watch before it is uploaded to a site such as Strava and if so, can such modifications be detected by an expert?

I want to come up with a foolproof method of verifying an attempt. I suppose constant filming from the backup vehicle would be good but impractical, as it wouldn't always be with me.

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Toe investigator wrote:

stevepope wrote:
Can data be modified from a Garmin watch before it is uploaded to a site such as Strava and if so, can such modifications be detected by an expert?

I want to come up with a foolproof method of verifying an attempt. I suppose constant filming from the backup vehicle would be good but impractical, as it wouldn't always be with me.

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Garmin watches can be synced to your private Garmin Connect account, downloaded as a TCX file, edited, and then uploaded to your public Garmin account and across to Strava. Only Garmin themselves would be able to confirm if it was uploaded manually or sync'd from the watch - it's not visible when viewing the event.