That video has absolutely no bearing on whether Usain Bolt is or is not on drugs.
That video has absolutely no bearing on whether Usain Bolt is or is not on drugs.
Do we know any of the other athlethes in that race and did any of them make it to senior athletics and get caught doping? Would be interesting to know.
Rojo,
The right genetics for sprinting plus PEDs equals domination.
rojo wrote:
Yes, it doesn't prove he's clean. People could dope when they were 17
Case in point - Lance Armstrong.
Lance Footweak wrote:
rojo wrote:Yes, it doesn't prove he's clean. People could dope when they were 17
Case in point - Lance Armstrong.
Armstrong began doping around '90 or '91 which would have put him at 18-19. I'm sure others, especially Europeans, have started earlier. Anyways, Bolt is a phenom, sure, but likely doping as well. There are tons of B and C level dopers, like the Hebron Kentucky team. Champions are talented and hard working, more so than anyone else, and for some, sanctioned peds allow them to put in the hard work no one else can do. Could Bolt be clean? maybe. It's strongly suspect when an athlete puts in a performance no one else can come close to. Like Radcliffe, Genzebe Dibaba, and Rudisha, Bolt is extremely suspect.
Very impressive video. He looks like he is 5 years older than the other dudes. I'm not saying I'm 100% certain he is cheating, but there are certain trends that cannot be avoided. I posted this the other day. I'd love to hear your explanation for all of these points:Every time Bolt finds an excuse to miss a bunch of meets or runs slower than expected and he goes to his doctor in Germany, he comes back and miraculously runs like .2 faster.2008, he goes 9.69 with no form and backwards leaning like a goofball.2009, he claims to have ongoing injuries from a car accident, goes to his doctor in Germany, comes back, and runs 9.58 and 19.19.2012, he struggles to a 9.8-high in the Jamaican trials and loses to Blake, claims a hamstring injury, disappears for a while, and comes back looking much bigger and stronger and runs 9.63 and 19.32.2015 year, he goes from 10.1x to 9.8x in no time, and wins in Beijing.
rojo wrote:
I somehow bumped into this on twitter today and was blown away by it.
https://twitter.com/JustSportsTweet/status/719497034135244800Yes, it doesn't prove he's clean. People could dope when they were 17 but it also very well could be that he's just a freak as I've stated all along.
It looks like he's a different species than everyone else in the race. It looks like a robot - or a car - is racing humans.
As others have implied; this means nothing. He could have just been further along the maturation process than other 17 year olds.
It's likely that the desire to cheat is elevated when you are expected to be a prodigy early in life but start to level off while those you schooled in the junior ranks start to mature and pass you. This happens regularly in sport, enough to counteract any, "He was too good at a young age to need PEDs!" protestations.
This is the second (and third is related) point I bring up in the post.
He was not a raw talent.
Perhaps, he should attempt to break the Junior record again to alleave all doubts.
Usain Bolt has been a client of Dr. "Healing Hans" Wohlfahrt (who originally came from EAST GERMANY and moved to Munich) since the age of 16 years old. He was introduced to the doctor by his coach.
Paula Radcliffe has been a client of Dr. Wohlfahrt since the age of 20.
Is rojo not aware of this history for both Bolt and Radcliffe?
Who was 5 seconds behind Paula Radcliffe in 1992 as a junior runner at the World Cross Country Championships?
Junior women's race (4.005 km)
For full event details see 1992 IAAF World Cross Country Championships – Junior women's race
Individual race
Rank Athlete Country Time
1 Paula Radcliffe United Kingdom 13:30
2 Wang Junxia China 13:35
3 Lydia Cheromei Kenya 13:43
4 Jennifer Clague United Kingdom 13:44
5 Anja Smolders Belgium 13:58
6 Janeth CaizalitÃn Ecuador 14:00
7 Elena Cosoveanu Romania 14:02
8 Zhang Lirong China 14:03
9 Gete Wami Ethiopia 14:04
10 Denisa Costescu Romania 14:05
11 Emebet Shiferaw Ethiopia 14:06
12 Susie Power Australia 14:06
Answer:
Wang Junxia from China.
Oh boy.
d aaaaaaaaaaaaaamn!there is some good detective work on this thread
"Coach (Mills) is a genius...an evil genius hahah"
rojo wrote:
I somehow bumped into this on twitter today and was blown away by it.
https://twitter.com/JustSportsTweet/status/719497034135244800Yes, it doesn't prove he's clean. People could dope when they were 17 but it also very well could be that he's just a freak as I've stated all along.
It looks like he's a different species than everyone else in the race. It looks like a robot - or a car - is racing humans.
As an aside, that was at the National Sports Stadium in Hamilton, Bermuda. It is a fantastic track and open for the public to use. Well worth a look for anyone that ever happens to be in Bermuda on vacation or whatever.
rjm33 wrote:
Usain Bolt has been a client of Dr. "Healing Hans" Wohlfahrt (who originally came from EAST GERMANY and moved to Munich) since the age of 16 years old. He was introduced to the doctor by his coach.
Wohlfahrt is not from East Germany
It still doesn't prove that Bolt has taken drugs. You can say that my head is in the sand, but it still doesn't prove anything. Maybe he has, maybe he hasn't, but WE don't know.
I wasn't sure before, but now I'm convinced he's on drugs.
Something we all know wrote:
It still doesn't prove that Bolt has taken drugs. You can say that my head is in the sand, but it still doesn't prove anything. Maybe he has, maybe he hasn't, but WE don't know.
This is not a Gettier problem. Yes. We can know my making conclusions from the facts.
We know that every explanation for Bolt being an exception to the rule (that top 100m sprinters dope) is a myth. There is no explanation left for is performances, except doping.
We know he is doping
From the article:
Radcliffe, 37, has been a faithful patient since Muller-Wohlfahrt first treated her for a foot stress fracture 17 years ago. Now deep in preparations for the 2012 London Olympics, Radcliffe returned last spring from altitude training in Albuquerque, N.M., complaining of tightness in her lower back and legs. "Not feeling strong," in the words of Muller-Wohlfahrt.
There were also doubters in the 1970s, when the up-and-coming Muller-Wohlfahrt was brought in from Berlin.
"I was very young, and they expected big success," he recalls. "This was a world of superstars. [Bayern Munich] was the European champion three times in a row. It was [Franz] Beckenbauer, [Gerd] Muller, [Sepp] Maier, [Hans-Georg] Schwarzenbeck. They were my patients. I was very young. I had to be successful.
"By this, I invented or tried therapies which didn't exist until then.
As an "Outside the Lines" reporter watched, the doctor spent an hour listening patiently while tending to Radcliffe. As she lay on a treatment table, the sinewy, muscled distance runner gradually morphed into a human voodoo doll.
Radcliffe sighed as the initial injections penetrated deep beneath the skin, with some needles 2 to 3 inches long. Muller-Wohlfahrt used his right hand to deliver 14 injections into her lower back. Another two were directed into the front of her right hip, followed by four into the top of her left foot. He then manipulated her legs wildly -- left and right, up and down.
Oh boy.
Did you know Paula has the highest pain tolerance of anyone on this planet?
Yes she does. Gerard Hartmann said that it is true.
She can also get more dehydrated than anyone else on this planet.
Ha Ha Ha. You guys are hilarious.
Lance Footweak wrote:
rojo wrote:Yes, it doesn't prove he's clean. People could dope when they were 17
Case in point - Lance Armstrong.
I don't think this is a case in point at all. Lance was nowhere near as good in biking at age 17 as Bolt was at sprinting, at age 17.