At what age do women start having realistic expectations for men?

You'll do better when you get older. Women like money.

whenever their besties start having babies

Never.

Bop wrote:

whenever their besties start having babies

Kinda true

I live in a college town, too. If anything, I'd say that the girls in the 18-25 age range have pretty low expectations. Guys with zero ambition or career prospects have no problem getting girls. Crappy chain restaurants are considered acceptable date locations. Showing up to class in sweatpants doesn't seem to turn girls off.

I can say with confidence that I would have never had a single date if I acted the way that the average college guy acts when I was a young professional living in NYC. But the guys around here act like bums and still get laid.

My Russian sweetheart is down-to-earth like otherwise my grandmother's generation.

Glad I skipped the western wussies.

Mr. Practical wrote:

They think relationships are nonstop rollercoasters of fun and excitement...

Er...maybe dating an 18-25 girl is more fun and exciting than dating an older one?

Is dating a zero sum game?

DatingYoungerWomen wrote:

You'll do better when you get older. Women like money.

Agree

jamin wrote:

Bop wrote:

whenever their besties start having babies

Kinda true

Guesswork on your part. Voice of experience, absolutely not.

Bop wrote:

whenever their besties start having babies

Wrong. That's when they start having totally unrealistic expectations.

When a woman has been single with kids for a couple of years, she starts having reasonable expectations. However, those expectations aren't reasonable for her any longer.

opposite opinion wrote:

I live in a college town, too. If anything, I'd say that the girls in the 18-25 age range have pretty low expectations. Guys with zero ambition or career prospects have no problem getting girls. Crappy chain restaurants are considered acceptable date locations. Showing up to class in sweatpants doesn't seem to turn girls off.

I can say with confidence that I would have never had a single date if I acted the way that the average college guy acts when I was a young professional living in NYC. But the guys around here act like bums and still get laid.

Getting laid is not the issue. That's easy. The issue is finding a girl who actually appreciates you and doesn't immediately think she can do better. I've had girls literally tell me they won't settle for anything less than a guy who is world-class at something. Another girl told me a guy has to play one or more instruments, speak two or more languages, we world-traveled, a skilled rock-climber, and have at least a master's degree. Anything less was a definite no. Even when girls don't make such ridiculous statements, I almost always find that they don't understand that guys are humans too, just like them. They seem to be almost comically unaware of their own faults and weaknesses yet hypercritical and hyperjudgemental of males'.

Like I said, I find this is most common in girls 19-24ish. Once women have actually been out in the real world for awhile they seem to learn, but I don't regularly meet these kind of women until we're talking about 30.

Just another perspective . . . I've dated about 10 women for at least a few months, and I never felt that any of them had terribly unrealistic expectations. A few valued wealth more than I did, or had very different interests. But almost all were completely reasonable in their expectations of me.

It's possible that your expectations for yourself are fairly low or that you seek out women with high expectations. Either of those can be fine, but it's worth considering that it's not a problem with "most women."

webby wrote:

Just another perspective . . . I've dated about 10 women for at least a few months, and I never felt that any of them had terribly unrealistic expectations. A few valued wealth more than I did, or had very different interests. But almost all were completely reasonable in their expectations of me.

It's possible that your expectations for yourself are fairly low or that you seek out women with high expectations. Either of those can be fine, but it's worth considering that it's not a problem with "most women."

What were the ages? Maybe you're a loser and attract loser women?

I know what you mean. In my early 30s (some 15 years ago), I kept meeting women my age who had what I considered flaws -- bad job, divorced, etc. I'd date them, but often they would say things like "I'd never date a divorced guy -- if he can't make marriage work once, he never will." -- yet this chick herself was divorced! I lol'd a lot at these women. Finally reached down to a 23 year old, ended up married to her, life is good.

I do rather enjoy shagging American girls, especially the all American types that come to visit Europe. However, I'd be unlikely to ever marry one simply because they'd likely be ball busters.

None of those expectations are unreasonable so long as the woman has those experiences and merits to match.

I've met all kinds the last five or so years. But I have noticed a relatively frequent tendency for broke, vacuous, attractive women to demand some/many of the attributes you've described but aren't even close to being able to reciprocate. Like they're entitled to a prince.

I feel like it's a by-product of rampant social media narcissism. I don't even associate with social media divas anymore--- for dating material or in my closest circle of friends. People have ridiculous expectations of others. They inflate their own perceived value. And they simply cannot live in their own moment.

It depends. On you. On who you meet.

When you are young date a lot of people before you make a decision.

However do not sleep around. Sex can be trouble!!!

let me guess: by "women", you mean thin, white, athletic build, middle or upper class, and attracted to introverted runner guys who never talk to them.