How good would I need to be freshman year of college and senior year of high school to have a shot?
Maybe i shouldn't try to do this even if i could since some say it's bad for your development.
How good would I need to be freshman year of college and senior year of high school to have a shot?
Maybe i shouldn't try to do this even if i could since some say it's bad for your development.
If you don't go for it, you'll regret it the rest of your life. Trust me.
Do you really think so? Its not like the other option is quitting running it would just be to focus on other thinks like academics and work more. Is there a possibility I'll regret neglecting other things?
concentrate on academics first, 2nd, and 3rd.
If you have time then try to qualify.
Focus on college running while you are in college--that is plenty especially with 2-3 seasons of XC, indoor track, outdoor track. When you graduate and you still feel motivated to train and compete, then try a few serious marathon attempts.
One issue is most college coaches aren't going to let you do this. They will want you to focus on the ncaa seasons. Also we don't know what the trials standards will be next time around. The marathon will likely be similar to this cycle but world on the street is the half will be significantly faster. If the trials standard for the half is 63:30 or something in that neighborhood it will take another level to hit then 65.
How good you would need to be as a freshman of college isn't a question worth asking. You need do need talent to make the trials. But there were 9:20 high schoolers in the trials this year while plenty of sub 9 guys never make it.
well wrote:
Maybe i shouldn't try to do this even if i could since some say it's bad for your development.
^This, except for the reason that it is selfish to pursue a personal goal when in a team setting. Give yourself, all of yourself, to the needs of your team (and academics). Unless, you are NAIA, where the marathon scores points at outdoor nationals.
A few thoughts...colleges and high schools programs generally don't care about 13.1-26.2...focus is mile 5km 10 km xc.
If your times are competitive at lower distances and your long run and threshold training good....I say go for it...
The old philosophy was get fast at 1-2-3 10 km then move to marathon...
This year 22 year old guy won Boston.
If you got it go!
Carl Spackler wrote:
Focus on college running while you are in college--that is plenty especially with 2-3 seasons of XC, indoor track, outdoor track. When you graduate and you still feel motivated to train and compete, then try a few serious marathon attempts.
OP,
PLEASE ignore this jerkoff. You desires include running long-distance races (as opposed to made-up non-events like 1600) and doing them on pavement.
SO DO IT!
Run long road races.
The 'controversy' is that LRC (not just MB trolls but the ownership and management thereof also) believes anyone with NCAA elegibility must use that elegibility ASAP. I have 4 years of elegibility left and am in my 50s. I also didn't run for my HS track team. I never met the coach nor asked what they could do for me, but I didn't need to. I already knew there was no upside to joining.
This action ignites fury on the MB, sometimes even from the Brojos. However, they have no authority over you and cannot stop you from running longer races than they ever have - or at ever have prior to 24 years of age.
Go for it, man! F*** everyone who wouldn't consider anything longer than 3200m (a non-event the results of which are meaningless) while in HS or longer than 10k while in college. Good luck!
That escalated quickly.
I would twith the shorter stuff for as long as you can. Once you move up in distance, it is really hard to move back down (because of the abuse your body takes from the high volume training, because you focus so little on speed for the long marathon training cycles, etc.).
Being a 22 year old and looking primarily to the 15k and above for the rest of your life seems restricting. I waited until I was 42 to run my first marathon and I really do not regret it all that much.
Competed with a couple OT qualifiers that did it in college and another who tried while in college. You have a lot of options, maybe less so if you run on scholarship on a NCAA d1 or d2 program. d3, or NAIA or the collegiate club system might work better for you.
By the end of your freshman year in college you'd probably need to be low 15s for 5K and 8:40s for 3K. Do a half marathon in the off seasons and see how that goes. Plan on something like Grandmas as your qualifier following your junior year. CIM 6 months later as a last ditch effort.
I also agree that he should go with his/her heart. However, your NCAA college running days are over. If you check the rules you are not eligible to complete in college.
i ran a marathon winter of my sophomore year and it was awesome, i ran faster than i thought, achieved my goals, etc... i also ran at a school with an xc-only program, so no official championship track meets or whatever. marathon was in february, our "unofficial" spring season started a month and a half later and it was my worst season ever. felt like crap from start to finish. could have easily been from other external factors but i really dont think i recovered in time to try training for a good 5k. if you're gonna skip a season in there all together to do it, sure, just make sure you recover properly before the next season. but honestly, you have the rest of your life for marathons. running a season with your college team is a precious thing every time.
You should consult with Hadley.
I ran a sub 2:30 in college and within two weeks was able to run in the 15's on the track. I do however feel it hurt my performances more than helped them.
College coach wrote:
I also agree that he should go with his/her heart. However, your NCAA college running days are over. If you check the rules you are not eligible to complete in college.
Please elaborate. Times and rules have changed obviously, but an off season athlete can't compete in a road race? I can see that affecting their status if it's in season, or if they take prize money. But have never heard of a rule that an NCAA runner can't compete in any road races.
Salazar still had a season of track eligibility left after his NYC debut, Kirk Pfeffer was 2nd there a year or two before, and JB Samuelson ran several high profile marathons (AR at Boston), and still ran NCAA races before she graduated.
Alvin Lee and 10 Years After wrote:
College coach wrote:I also agree that he should go with his/her heart. However, your NCAA college running days are over. If you check the rules you are not eligible to complete in college.
Please elaborate. Times and rules have changed obviously, but an off season athlete can't compete in a road race? I can see that affecting their status if it's in season, or if they take prize money. But have never heard of a rule that an NCAA runner can't compete in any road races.
Salazar still had a season of track eligibility left after his NYC debut, Kirk Pfeffer was 2nd there a year or two before, and JB Samuelson ran several high profile marathons (AR at Boston), and still ran NCAA races before she graduated.
He's wrong, you're only ineligable if you accept prizes above expenses. Others have done races or US road champs and continued in the college ranks.
But if you have the ability to qualify for the trials you will have all american talent. Stick to the college program in college. A good program will be better for your long term development and no good college coach will let you run a marathon while in college.
You will have plenty of time later for the marathon and developing on the track and cross country will be beneficial to you later on. These 19 year old east africans running fast marathons are most likely older than their stated age.
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I was speaking of the 50+ year old. His college Eligibility is over. Sorry I was trying to send it out prior to a workout.
well wrote:
How good would I need to be freshman year of college and senior year of high school to have a shot?
Maybe i shouldn't try to do this even if i could since some say it's bad for your development.
Plan on taking Graduate courses after you have finished your eligibility at the school you ran for. You will (almost always) be permitted to train with everyone still. And for the love of all that is holy do not underestimate how much easier it is to train with your college buddies while going to school than it is to train on your own away from that university setting.