jjjjj wrote:
do some research before commenting. Slagowski ran 59.x/2:02-3/3:00/3:59, so about 59/63/57/59. 1:48.70 is just over 2 seconds slower than the high school record, but he did it on his own, and in April--giving him plenty of time to run as fast as Arroyo and Brazier in high school. Remind me what Fisher and Maton ran in high school at 800m. They are 1500/5k types, like Hunter. Slagowski is not likely to be top 20 in ncaa xc like fisher (and maton?) and surely hunter. The one thing is that while Slagowski is not close to maxed out at either 800 or mile in hs, Hunter does have a fine kick, as he showed last year against Fisher, twice.
If you read my post, you will see that I asked specifically what his splits were. Thank you for answering my question. However, might I suggest that you begin to do some more research before asking others to do so?
1:48.70 is just over 2 seconds slower than the HS 800m record, correct, but it's not that insane of a time. In fact, it's pretty slow compared to a sub-4 mile. It isn't usually going to end up as the US#1 performance of the season. For example, it would have been #4 last year, and only 0.16 away from being #5. In 2014, it would have been #5 and only 0.05 away from being #6 or 0.27 away from being #7. In 2013, it would have been #3 but almost a full second behind the national leader. Granted, it would have been the national leader in 2012 by 0.04 seconds, so I guess I'll give it credit there. In short: nowhere near All-Time worthy (such as a Sub-4 mile), but a very good mark.
As for comparing Arroyo and Brazier to Slagowski? Arroyo ran his 1:47 on April 6 - that is a couple weeks earlier than Slagowski. Beyond that, though, they were 400m/800m guys, and Arroyo in particular rarely ran a competitive race anything above that. Brazier only had a couple races where he ran a good mile, as he was focused on the 800m specifically. Slagowski is not the same kind of athlete in the same situation: he is better at the mile, and has always been AT LEAST as good at the mile, while never having really run a blazing fast 400m (never run an open 400 under 49, and although I haven't done the research I doubt he's ever ran a relay split under 48?).
Fisher and Maton's 800m times: They never really ran it, so it is hard to say what they could or couldn't have done. Do you REALLY think that they couldn't run under 1:50 or maybe even under 1:49 if they can run under 4:00y but not under 8:43y or 14:20? Both Fisher and Maton were better at the mile, both judging by the results of the races and the times of their PRs. That shouldn't be any sort of question. Hunter beat Fisher head to head in the 2 mile when both ran PRs, while Fisher beat Hunter head to head in the mile when Hunter ran his (then) PR. Yes, Fisher beat Hunter at FLN that year - though Hunter seemed to improve quite a bit more in the mean time (#4 at FLN for him? No, that doesn't match what he did in the spring). Were those races a fluke? Would they happen the same way if they ran the races again? Maybe. But what we have to go on is what actually happened, inwhich we saw that Fisher was better than Hunter at shorter distances (re: Mile) while Hunter was better at longer distances (2 mile) with a better kick (which is probably rooted moreso in having a stronger aerobic system rather than having better raw speed).
Brazier is #4 All-Time at 800m, Arroyo is #8 All-Time at 800m, with #10 being 1:48.01.
Fisher and Maton are tied at #4 All-Time in the Mile, with Hunter #3 and Slagowski #6.
Hunter is #9 All-Time in the 2 Mile, based on his time from last year (and he is certainly faster than he was last year).
In short: Hunter isn't as much of a pure miler as he is a generally great distance runner, while Slagowski has never been more of an 800m guy than he has a miler, and that is especially true now that he's gone under 4:00y while not being near that level of performance in an 800m.