Is our Welfare State sustainable? What will eventually happen?

Those who are abandoned will solve the problem. The will kill off those who have and take what they want. This is how it has played out throughout history.

uncivil war wrote:

Those who are abandoned will solve the problem. The will kill off those who have and take what they want. This is how it has played out throughout history.

Perhaps. But, following the American Model or the French Model?

You don't understand history. How will YOU quell the rebellion? Kill then all off one-by-one? Drop nukes on them? Do you really think people will let themselves stare to death without rebellion against those still eating cake?

uncivil war wrote:

You don't understand history. How will YOU quell the rebellion? Kill then all off one-by-one? Drop nukes on them? Do you really think people will let themselves stare to death without rebellion against those still eating cake?

I understand history better than you understand spelling ;-)

What I mean is: in the American Model, the "people" ultimately win. Royalty is replaced with a republic.

In the French Model, royalty is ultimately replaced with...royalty. All of that violence with ultimately no change in the political structure.

Or, maybe the Spanish model: complete economic collapse and effective takeover by an outside country?

27 high.

No, we cannot keep subsidizing the wealthy at the expense of the lower middle class.

Wow, someone who thinks spelling rules the world.

No model is required. You are quite foolish. You do not understand history. The reason there is a welfare state is to help avoid rebellions. Goodness, you are stupid.

Gelindo wrote:

No, we cannot keep subsidizing the wealthy at the expense of the lower middle class.

We're not.

Which is why the rich pay taxes. To to spread a little wealth downwards to keep themselves on their perches.

Speaker of Hard Truths wrote:

Gelindo wrote:

No, we cannot keep subsidizing the wealthy at the expense of the lower middle class.

We're not.

We are. It's called the Tax Code.

uncivil war wrote:

Speaker of Hard Truths wrote:

We're not.

We are. It's called the Tax Code.

We're not. You don't understand anything about the tax code and are probably repeating the same populist bullshit about how all the "tax breaks" are hurting us.

Speaker of Hard Truths wrote:

uncivil war wrote:

We are. It's called the Tax Code.

We're not. You don't understand anything about the tax code and are probably repeating the same populist bullshit about how all the "tax breaks" are hurting us.

You don't know who the tax code works. 1/10

Seriously, someone deleted my post.

What will LRC do stave off the rebellion?

Do you think running sub 61 for the first half is sustainable?

* how

... for OP Jeff who suffers so when spelling errors are made.

uncivil war wrote:

Speaker of Hard Truths wrote:

We're not. You don't understand anything about the tax code and are probably repeating the same populist bullshit about how all the "tax breaks" are hurting us.

You don't know who the tax code works. 1/10

Yes I do. 50% of our taxes are paid by the top 1%. 2/3 of this goes to social security and medicare. Corporate tax breaks and deferred taxes are a positive to our bottom line in the form of capital gains receipts and future taxes paid. So no we are not subsidizing the rich, and you're probably a just as much an idiot as the FeelTheBerners.

Speaker of Hard Truths wrote:

Yes I do. 50% of our taxes are paid by the top 1%. ....

Then you'd know this is a meaningless statistic. Taxes are a percentage of income (or other transaction), not population.

You have any clue how little of our spending goes towards wellfare?

So I feel that "welfare" should be provided to anyone at a level to be able to survive but not to the level that it would be a comfortable life. Surely that isn't a very controversial belief? Even if I say that this means the rich will have to be taxed to keep the poor alive?

Facts bro wrote:

You have any clue how little of our spending goes towards wellfare?

Welfare is considered all entitlements (as opposed to military/other discretionary spending/functions) so basically most of it. And it's rapidly growing due to changing demographics.