Something Ive done a couple of times - when they feel like they are nearly finished, contact where you got them from and tell them youve only done say a fifth of the mileage you have actually done. Everytime for me they have offered a refund or replacement. Yeah im pretty tight.
...and what do you run in now?Sorry, but the old glory day stories really get...well....old. I don't care about what some old timer "used" to run in. I care about what people in the here and now run in.The fact of the matter is, most competitive runners run in cushioned shoes. They can run in flats if the want, but they choose a cushioned trainer.When making your living depends on being healthy and able to train, you run in cushioned trainers.
Runningart2004 wrote:
Cushioning is unnecessary for the vast majority of competitive runners.
Support is also unnecessary for the vast majority of competitive runners.
A shoe's main job is to protect you from the ground (rocks, nails, roots, etc).
Don't believe what the shoe reps tell you.
I used to run 100-140 miles a week in lightweight flats to include an old school Nike Waffle Racer rerelease. I would put in around 1000 miles before the outer would turn to shreds. Injuries? None.
Alan
I wear my shoes until they have a hole in them (I am a midfoot striker). I normally get 600-900 miles depending on running surface out of Brooks Pureconnect before this happens. I used to get all picky about my shoes and throw them away when they felt a little weird. Now I have a wife and a kid to support I don't give a f*ck if they feel a little funny, in fact I get injured less now.
Hey Runningart2004! I haven't seen you post as much. How have you been?
The key word is "used" to... wrote:
...and what do you run in now?
Sorry, but the old glory day stories really get...well....old.
I don't care about what some old timer "used" to run in. I care about what people in the here and now run in.
The fact of the matter is, most competitive runners run in cushioned shoes. They can run in flats if the want, but they choose a cushioned trainer.
When making your living depends on being healthy and able to train, you run in cushioned trainers.
Runningart2004 wrote:Cushioning is unnecessary for the vast majority of competitive runners.
Support is also unnecessary for the vast majority of competitive runners.
A shoe's main job is to protect you from the ground (rocks, nails, roots, etc).
Don't believe what the shoe reps tell you.
I used to run 100-140 miles a week in lightweight flats to include an old school Nike Waffle Racer rerelease. I would put in around 1000 miles before the outer would turn to shreds. Injuries? None.
Alan
I'm not an old timer and I only run in XC flats with no cushioning at all and run mostly on the road. This has in fact prevented me from getting injured. When I ran in cushioned trainers I was constantly getting injured. I'm not saying it works for everyone but it sure works for me. There is no cushioning, no arch support, nothing to my shoes. I routinely get more than 1000 miles out of them and generally just run in them until the upper rips and I can't use them anymore. I'm not some d bag minimalist, this is what works for me after trying to run in what te running store people put me in for several years with no success. Again, this may not be for everyone, but running in trainers doesn't work for me.
I put 6 months and about 1000 miles into a pair of Nike pegasus 32. Those little rope things that run up the inside started to snap and the shoe lost all semblance of structure. Foot was collapsing inwards. I used to do about 3 months a pair in college but now I buy my own I use them longer.
alan, i usually appreciate your posts but this "Cushioning is unnecessary for the vast majority of competitive runners" is not true. most of the elites for some reason train in cushioned, even clunky shoes, at least kenyans etc. and it's not because they can't afford different shoes.
notmo wrote:
alan, i usually appreciate your posts but this "Cushioning is unnecessary for the vast majority of competitive runners" is not true. most of the elites for some reason train in cushioned, even clunky shoes, at least kenyans etc. and it's not because they can't afford different shoes.
Hmmmm, you are saying that "because elites do X, most people also need to do X."
Do you realize how silly that is?
Most elites make a living from wearing a certain company's shoes regardless of whether or not they like them. If I was getting paid for running I would gladly wear any type of shoe that kept me injury free, and since remaining injury free is a talent many elites possess, a very wide variety of shoes could potentially work.Alan
GRV4 wrote:
notmo wrote:alan, i usually appreciate your posts but this "Cushioning is unnecessary for the vast majority of competitive runners" is not true. most of the elites for some reason train in cushioned, even clunky shoes, at least kenyans etc. and it's not because they can't afford different shoes.
Hmmmm, you are saying that "because elites do X, most people also need to do X."
Do you realize how silly that is?
realize how silly you are, read repeat read.
Good point. I've been wearing modern flats while building mileage. If I overstride, I get immediate feedback. It is working keeping me injury free.
Runningart2004 wrote:
Cushioning is unnecessary for the vast majority of competitive runners.
Support is also unnecessary for the vast majority of competitive runners.
A shoe's main job is to protect you from the ground (rocks, nails, roots, etc).
Don't believe what the shoe reps tell you.
I used to run 100-140 miles a week in lightweight flats to include an old school Nike Waffle Racer rerelease. I would put in around 1000 miles before the outer would turn to shreds. Injuries? None.
Alan
Thanks! That was very helpful. I was beginning to believe the same as I haven't replaced any of my shoes for a year or so now and no injuries at all.
Formerly fairly competitive, wore fairly minimal shoes or racing flats while running 80-90 miles a week, at 6' 2", 180 pounds.
Currently run in shoes with about the same cushion as a flat, only run about 40-50 miles a week, at 190 pounds. Usually run them until they can't really be worn any more, probably somewhere around 1600 miles or so, but I'm honestly pulling that number out of my butt.
So yeah. Doesn't matter for me. Might for you.
This question is in the same bracket as the oil companies telling ya you have to replace your motor oil every 3k, no matter what. Click and Clack say depends on your driving, (if you commute up and down Pikes Peak every day, yeah, maybe) but most can do it every 6k no problemo.
So, say you're 250 pounds with bad, oddly shaped feet, replace sooner rather than later, although tubbies can get New Balance heavy duty shoes for better mileage.
notmo wrote:
alan, i usually appreciate your posts but this "Cushioning is unnecessary for the vast majority of competitive runners" is not true. most of the elites for some reason train in cushioned, even clunky shoes, at least kenyans etc. and it's not because they can't afford different shoes.
That a majority of elites run in a cushioned shoe neither proves nor disproves that cushioning is necessary. It's just what they do and there can be many reasons why.
That’s not just tight - it’s unethical and immoral.
Runningart2004 wrote:
Cushioning is unnecessary for the vast majority of competitive runners.
Support is also unnecessary for the vast majority of competitive runners.
A shoe's main job is to protect you from the ground (rocks, nails, roots, etc).
Don't believe what the shoe reps tell you.
I used to run 100-140 miles a week in lightweight flats to include an old school Nike Waffle Racer rerelease. I would put in around 1000 miles before the outer would turn to shreds. Injuries? None.
Alan
This is gold. Listen to Alan.
I call billshit, I had the Nike WAFFLE racer and it broke down before 150 miles, that shoe was great bit had a horrible life span!
I knew I read this before. It took a while to see it was bumped from 2016.
Runningart2004 wrote:
Cushioning is unnecessary for the vast majority of competitive runners.
Support is also unnecessary for the vast majority of competitive runners.
A shoe's main job is to protect you from the ground (rocks, nails, roots, etc).
Don't believe what the shoe reps tell you.
I used to run 100-140 miles a week in lightweight flats to include an old school Nike Waffle Racer rerelease. I would put in around 1000 miles before the outer would turn to shreds. Injuries? None.
Alan
That's just down to luck of not been injury prone