Goodbye Mahkloufi! IAAF to retest London samples...

smd wrote:

tea partay spokesman wrote:

^This^

Related, perhaps: His shenanigans in the 800 rounds at the 2012 Olympics. I think a willingness to play with rules in some matters increases the likelihood of thinking/acting similarly in other matters.

Yep. That was my thought at the time, watching him rub his ass as if he was injured and the embarrassment that was for the OG's.

He should have been DQ'd for not giving an honest effort in the 800.

It's probably been at least 50 years.

I can run with this argument, rewatching he did final 100 in 14.6, which could be in part a result of easing off the gas a little. That said, I don't think he was taking it easy at all until the last 50m, maybe even a little closer to the line than that.

In any event that does bring us to the 25s 200m. Which is where we disagree. 25 isn't that nuts in my opinion. I've seen Alamirew run 24 to close at a much more difficult 5000 than that 1500 was. This was a 25 delivered after a relaxed 2:41.xx to bell, most 1500 top dogs are capable of 24, or even 23, in a slow race like this.

Nothing exceptional about a 25s 200m after that. The fact that a huge gap opened up is not a result of Makhloufi being impressive, it's a consequence of everyone else running fairly poorly relative to their typical performance.

Had this been a faster race, say a 3:30 or better type race, then the rest of the field only managing 54+ final lap would make sense in light of the fast pace, but on a solid day none of those guys should be struggling to hit 52, or 25 off that pace, and I would be expecting the winner to be doing more like 24 or 51 to win.

The only other guy who was good was Manzano, who closed in around 52.8 or so, he was .7 behind at the bell roughly, and finished about .7 down to Maklouhfi. That guys like Kiplagat, Centro, Willis, etc. couldn't even keep up with Manzano is evidence of an atypically weak race day, not a particularly exceptional performance from Makhloufi.

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smarten up wrote:

trollism wrote:

It's probably been 50 years since the last clean top class sprinter, so yay for Bolt.

Wrong.

Donovan Bailey.

I forgot to quote:

It's been at least 50 years

I hear you. I would only add that he didn't close in 25. - he did it during the race. It's easier to empty the tank and have nothing left, running 24 or 25 for the last 200. But mak had his stuff together to run a very solid 200 AFTER dusting the field.

Whereurwallet wrote:

tea partay spokesman wrote:

^This^

Funny thing is, there is absolutely some truth to this if you are an observant person with sense. If not, I suggest you stay living in a bubble so you don't get raped, raped or murdered when visiting neighborhoods with guys just like dad mak.

It's posts like this along with most of this thread that have turned this once great and invaluable forum for all things running into the dive it is today smh.

Canova is a piece-of-crap dirtbag.

Makhloufi = disgusting

Renato Canova wrote:

The technical explanation is very much easy.

The 3 kenyans (Asbel Kiprop, Silas Kiplagat and Nixon Chepseba), the only 3 ayhletes under 3'30" before Olympics, were TOTALLY destroyed during the training camp, with stupid workouts of speed only, no more long run, only short distances and maximal intensity every day.

Asbel got injured, Silas and Nixon became totally empty under the nervous point of view.

I don't want to say anything about Makhloufi, if not that every comparison with Ramzi 2008 is absolutely wrong. Ramzi was able to finish under 38" the last 300m, Makhloufi in 39"3, and seemed so fast because Silas Kiplagat finished in 41"6. Honestly, a victory for 0.71 on Manzano doesn't seem to me a reason for thinking about doping, when the same athlete was able, later, to run in 3'28", and already had a PB under 1'44" in 800m.

wow. great insights into kenyans destroying themselves.

but mr. canova. on the PEDs topic, you've got to be way out of the loop, which is maybe not a bad thing.

i mean to say, the peasant let's run fan may be confused about these PED issues, but a modern coach??? WTF?

watch mcdaddy in the heats - more than the final - and you know something is very very wrong. watch ramzi run what ? 332 in the heats, uncontested, ??? which means he could not turn off his turbo charger. watch the turk women in their 1500, way over the top red flag.

You know who wrote:

Canova is a piece-of-crap dirtbag.

Makhloufi = disgusting

You may disagree with him and he may be stunningly wrong on a number of subjects, but he believes what he says and writes.

what part about it beeing a week olympic field don't you get?

all of these issues were raised - at the time - with only mcdaddy remaining to be busted.

mcdaddy in the heats 2012 london.

he dominates more easily than elG... "out of the blue".

criminal.

While I am not saying that Makhloufi wasn't/isn't using PEDs, his actual performance in the 2012 final isn't that extraordinary, statistically speaking.

He does nothing over the last couple of laps that hasn't been matched by many other Olympic champions from the past.

It is definitely true that the majority of the field, for whatever reason, performed below par. His spurt down the back straight was mighty impressive, but it was clear that he couldn't continue at that same pace over the last 200m. Indeed, he slowed down quite a bit at the end, and the idea put forward by some, that he was jogging the last 50m, is incorrect IMO. He had run out of steam and was slowing down naturally. Maybe he slowed up a bit in the last half dozen strides, but I don't believe it was the case that he had loads left.

I think he peaked perfectly for the Champs and was the only athlete in the final that was in 1:43/3:30 shape on the day.

LRCCommenter wrote:

what part about it beeing a week olympic field don't you get?

The part with the first grade spelling error.

he certainly looked jacked up on something,and his face and skin looked terrible,showing signs of steroid use.im not saying the others in the race werent doping too,but whatever makloufi took,it sure had a potent,and obvious effect.also,to my knowledge,he hasnt run anywhere near as well,ever since.

i see bolt as the male marion jones,astonishingly talented,but on low dose drugs,nonethless.im into bodybuilding,and i can tell you his ripped,shredded vascular physique can only come from hard training,and some drugs.however,if there were no drugs in sport,he'd still be olympic champion and world record holder,more a 9.88/19.85 than what hes done. a one time good sprinter once told me,10.1 might be possible without drugs,but not faster.i dont know if thats true,or not.bolt could run faster than that,naturally,but thats because hes freakishly talented.....just not 9.5/19.1

Left Said Fred wrote:

You know who wrote:

Canova is a piece-of-crap dirtbag.

Makhloufi = disgusting

You may disagree with him and he may be stunningly wrong on a number of subjects, but he believes what he says and writes.

Question: How can you possibly know that?

Answer: You can't.

Stop giving this self-serving piece-of-crap dirtbag the benefit of the doubt. He has done absolutely nothing to deserve it. Start from a neutral position.

You know who wrote:

Question: How can you possibly know that?

My personal experience with Renato dating back sometime. And his wider reputation in general is one of someone who thinks he knows everything and will often produce more injuries than champions, but it's not one of a charlatan.