Goodbye Mahkloufi! IAAF to retest London samples...

betifeelslightlybetter wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH0IV2EF1-E

mahkloufi was on his B game compared to the OG.

so he could do 143 + 62 + 50 + 37.5 peak.

PEDS through the roof.

tea partay spokesman wrote:

chips of ice wrote:

[quote]opposition wrote:

He also has the unfortunate tendency to look comically shifty and villainous.

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^This^

Related, perhaps: His shenanigans in the 800 rounds at the 2012 Olympics. I think a willingness to play with rules in some matters increases the likelihood of thinking/acting similarly in other matters.

rhhwefwewfe wrote:

well goodbye bolt...

when that happens i'll believe in the process.

Exactly.

Of course, it will NEVER happen.

I rewatched his gold medal run. It doesn't look good. Look at the rest of the best in the world straining (you can see it on their faces) to finish at that speed. Watch his slow mo replay as he comes to the line. He's just out for a jog. Whether or not he doped, that sure doesn't look good.

"But it was a WEAK field!" Never mind that almost all of them have run 3:26-3:30....

pathfinder wrote:

I rewatched his gold medal run. It doesn't look good. Look at the rest of the best in the world straining (you can see it on their faces) to finish at that speed. Watch his slow mo replay as he comes to the line. He's just out for a jog. Whether or not he doped, that sure doesn't look good.

Manzano also managed to beat the best in the world that day too. Mahk's splits in that Olympic final were not spectacular, and any number of former top milers could have won that race.

For whatever reason, only two people in that final brought their A game, Mahk and Manzano.

Wider scope wrote:

Manzano also managed to beat the best in the world that day too. Mahk's splits in that Olympic final were not spectacular, and any number of former top milers could have won that race.

For whatever reason, only two people in that final brought their A game, Mahk and Manzano.

that's not really fair - a probably drugged mak was able to blow open the field with an early kick that probably an undrugged person couldn't have don. So the probably undrugged africans all crashed and burned. Leo was able to get the silver because he didn't try to go with Mak's drugged early kick.

shows you how drugs upset everything - they change how the race is run and the outcome, even if DQd,

yeah I just rewatched it too.. you forget how ridiculous it was and how cheated you felt at the time. WHAT a finish from Leo though..

any one read his WIKI page recently?

Taoufik Makhloufi (Arabic: توفيق مخلوفي‎; born 29 April 1988) is an Algerian track and field icon who specialises in middle-distance running. He became the 1500 metres Olympic champion at the 2012 Summer Olympics. With his historic gold medal finish in the London Olympics, Makhloufi has faced numerous allegations of doping, yet he has been tested over 30 times each year.[1]

Especially when Makhloufi supposedly had a knee problem that caused him to drop out of the 800. A guy who will lie about a knee problem is not to be trusted.

Metric Miler wrote:

Wrongly, boy wrote:

It was never legal. They didn't known about it until the last year.

More goodies will be banned before year's end. None of them will be legal at this time.

It was added to the banned list this year. People found using it in 2012 cannot be retroactively punished for the rules 4 years later.

You added nothing that confirms the products was "legal." WADA has a legal list, and Meldonium was never on it. Many PEDs remain unlisted. WADA simply doesn't know they exist, at least not yet.

The technical explanation is very much easy.

The 3 kenyans (Asbel Kiprop, Silas Kiplagat and Nixon Chepseba), the only 3 ayhletes under 3'30" before Olympics, were TOTALLY destroyed during the training camp, with stupid workouts of speed only, no more long run, only short distances and maximal intensity every day.

Asbel got injured, Silas and Nixon became totally empty under the nervous point of view.

I don't want to say anything about Makhloufi, if not that every comparison with Ramzi 2008 is absolutely wrong. Ramzi was able to finish under 38" the last 300m, Makhloufi in 39"3, and seemed so fast because Silas Kiplagat finished in 41"6. Honestly, a victory for 0.71 on Manzano doesn't seem to me a reason for thinking about doping, when the same athlete was able, later, to run in 3'28", and already had a PB under 1'44" in 800m.

agip wrote:

Wider scope wrote:

Manzano also managed to beat the best in the world that day too. Mahk's splits in that Olympic final were not spectacular, and any number of former top milers could have won that race.

For whatever reason, only two people in that final brought their A game, Mahk and Manzano.

that's not really fair - a probably drugged mak was able to blow open the field with an early kick that probably an undrugged person couldn't have don. So the probably undrugged africans all crashed and burned. Leo was able to get the silver because he didn't try to go with Mak's drugged early kick.

shows you how drugs upset everything - they change how the race is run and the outcome, even if DQd,

I'm not sure they are undrugged, but certainly not as well drugged as Mak. I have a feeling the Kenyan doping is more haphazard and sporadic because there are so many good Kenyans. It's like, take what you can get when up you can get it. Maybe kiprop was told to sack it or risk getting popped their. But mak probably has a very sophisticated regimine like the ruskies. He'll be caught someday and only a fool will be surprised.

Sure, sure. Just because he's Algerian, he must be doping.. such an assumption is bordering on racism.

I just watched the race again. Mahkloufi dropped everyone but watch Manzano. Manzano could have challenged for the win if he was up front with 400 to go.

Mahkloufi stays close to the front the whole race while Manzano is in the back. Manzano passed the whole field in the final 200. He was 3 seconds behind Mahkloufi with 100m to go and closed the gap finishing right behind.

betifeelslightlybetter wrote:

yeah I just rewatched it too.. you forget how ridiculous it was and how cheated you felt at the time. WHAT a finish from Leo though..

It absolutely did look ridiculous. Of that there is no doubt.

However, he 'only' ran 52 high and 39s for his final 400 and 300, of a relatively slow pace. Those closing speeds are not in any way ridiculous or unbelievable. The fact that they looked unbelievable when they weren't tells us that the other guys in the race that should have been deadly just weren't on their game. They all closed in 54-56, fairly unimpressive for a slower 1500m race.

This doesn't excuse Makhloufi, especially given the almost mocking style of how he ran his round, but I firmly believe nothing he did in the final was suspicious or indicative of doping.

Lupu on Meldonium. Says been taking it for 15 years. She's born in 1987.....

LM wrote:

betifeelslightlybetter wrote:

yeah I just rewatched it too.. you forget how ridiculous it was and how cheated you felt at the time. WHAT a finish from Leo though..

It absolutely did look ridiculous. Of that there is no doubt.

However, he 'only' ran 52 high and 39s for his final 400 and 300, of a relatively slow pace. Those closing speeds are not in any way ridiculous or unbelievable. The fact that they looked unbelievable when they weren't tells us that the other guys in the race that should have been deadly just weren't on their game. They all closed in 54-56, fairly unimpressive for a slower 1500m race.

This doesn't excuse Makhloufi, especially given the almost mocking style of how he ran his round, but I firmly believe nothing he did in the final was suspicious or indicative of doping.

the last lap wasn't that fast, no, becasue mak jogged in the last 50 meters.

the unlikely part was from 1100 to 1300 meters. I believe he ran around 25 seconds for that, blowing open the race. Once Mak opened a large gap he jogged it in and was being caught.

So is a 25 second 200 a sign of doping, keeping in mind no one in an olympic final could go with him? I think so.