Another one bites the dust? 2012 London Olympic 1500 silver/gold medalist Gamze Bulut being investigated for ABP abnormalities

1. These doping busts are excellent news for the sport. Perhaps this is evidence that the IAAF is actually getting it's s**** together and Coe really does have a modicum of competence? Does anyone know specifically what group administered this particular test and the other recent high-ish profile busts?

2. When you've got fields as doped up as the London 1500m final, this just goes to show how important it is to fight for every place you can in a race even if you're at the back of the pack. Who knows? You might actually be leading the pack among non-cheaters!

Skips Arm Day wrote:

1. These doping busts are excellent news for the sport. Perhaps this is evidence that the IAAF is actually getting it's s**** together and Coe really does have a modicum of competence? Does anyone know specifically what group administered this particular test and the other recent high-ish profile busts?

Captain Renault: Round up the usual suspects

Rio will be another doped show.

Skips Arm Day wrote:

2. When you've got fields as doped up as the London 1500m final, this just goes to show how important it is to fight for every place you can in a race even if you're at the back of the pack. Who knows? You might actually be leading the pack among non-cheaters!

Back of the pack using credit cards you can't pay off to get there. 10 years later, a medal and no money and a career as an also ran while you are in a relatively normal job.

The IAAF is for sale.

yeah,morgan certainly looks androgynous,doesnt she? and she has muscles i wouldnt have thought a female 1500 metre runner could achieve naturally.to my eyes,she looks to be on the gear,but im not saying she is.shes probably completely clean,and looks naturally that way,through hard training.

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

Back of the pack using credit cards you can't pay off to get there. 10 years later, a medal and no money and a career as an also ran while you are in a relatively normal job.

The IAAF is for sale.

This is the best summary of the state of affairs that I've seen. And it's an optimistic scenario. As we've seen, even when busted, athletes are officially assumed to have been clean up until the moment they are caught.

Devil Dog wrote:

I've suspected for a while that the IOC hasn't redistributed the medals because they didn't want to hand a medal to someone they knew they'd be taking it away from in the near future. But at this point, more than half the field of the final has been disqualified and banned. It will go in history books as the race that never was.

See also: the Lance Armstrong years at the Tour de France, where race management decided to just let the record books show 'no winner' rather than let the official win role down to a known doper like Alberto Contador. Some nice charts of those years at the Wikipedia page:

So if the TDF ever redistributes, I think Carlos Sastre becomes the most decorated rider ever.

Try putting yourself into the athlete's mindset, and you can only come to the conclusion that they will feel perfectly justified to be doping now and forever more. It's the "if you can't beat them (the dirty athletes, at their game), join them" mentality. They figure there's no chance at glory without taking the risk. They figure that even if they get busted, "at least I tried but I was just one of the unlucky ones".

Raelene Boyle needs to get the recognition she deserves. Renate Stecher was a confirmed doper.

'Boyle was denied a gold medal in the 200m at the 1972 Munich Olympics by an athlete, Renate Stecher, East German secret service files revealed was on the state-sponsored doping program.'

I have lost much intereest in T&F as it relates to fairness and justice. The administration is totally corrupt, not just somewhat corrupt.

In 1980, Masback was the leader of the USATF and ran it like he was their lawyer. WHich he was by training.

Organized sport is absolutely corrupt at every level. So just enjoy what you are doing. Becasue later you will hate what you did.

Just loo at that jaws/chins. Too much macho hormones...

Skips Arm Day wrote:

1. These doping busts are excellent news for the sport.

No they are not.

Steve on a cell in Brooklyn wrote:

Skips Arm Day wrote:

1. These doping busts are excellent news for the sport.

No they are not.

If it were the start of a new policy at the IAAF of sanctioning dopers more swiftly, yes, it would be great news. It's not though.

I loved then end quote on this article.

"If we are banned, then all these medals will go to the USA and Great Britain."

It is a very interesting allegation.

Unfortunately we have zero clue who is/isn't clean and whether that's politics at play for better bribes, or some other extraordinary tale of corruption, Bulut included.

If Rowbury was clean then she sure as hell isn't now.

This sport is so polluted it's disgusting. I wonder how many collegiate athletes dope? I'd like to think, none, but my confidence is less than stellar at this point in the ball game.

Dewey_Runner wrote:

If Rowbury was clean then she sure as hell isn't now.

Rowbury is 100% clean now and always has been

You're the dirty one for making baseless claims

Anyone that chooses to run under a man that performs doping experiments on his own children and gives questionable supplements to high school boys is up for serious suspicion.

You disgust me wrote:

Dewey_Runner wrote:

If Rowbury was clean then she sure as hell isn't now.

Rowbury is 100% clean now and always has been

You're the dirty one for making baseless claims

I doubt that she will be the winner of anything if she was registered as a DNF.

In that case, there simply should be no winner declared, IMO.

What is the rule?

Bring Back the 880 wrote:

Anyone that chooses to run under a man that performs doping experiments on his own children and gives questionable supplements to high school boys is up for serious suspicion.

You disgust me wrote:

Rowbury is 100% clean now and always has been

You're the dirty one for making baseless claims

You clearly do not know Shannon Rowbury, a person with very high morals and an extremely high work ethic. She would never cheat to win and your baseless, speculative claims towards her are old and tired.

That is why I stopped at serious suspicion. Did you read the Epstein articles? Anyone currently associating directly with Salazar is on thin ice as far as credibility IMO.

I'm not the one bringing her into the convo. We can discuss the caught cheats, but when people start making proclamations about who is clean, some scrutiny is warranted.

You disgust me wrote:

Dewey_Runner wrote:

If Rowbury was clean then she sure as hell isn't now.

Rowbury is 100% clean now and always has been

You're the dirty one for making baseless claims

How would we know? I'm definitely not saying she is doping. I'm saying there's no transparency such that we can be confident Rowbury is clean-ish.

She could go the extra mile and publish her scores. That's not everyone's first choice and that's reasonable.

Again, we're back to the IAAF's role in permitting doping being one of the main drivers of athletes doping.

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

You disgust me wrote:

Rowbury is 100% clean now and always has been

You're the dirty one for making baseless claims

How would we know? I'm definitely not saying she is doping. I'm saying there's no transparency such that we can be confident Rowbury is clean-ish.

She could go the extra mile and publish her scores. That's not everyone's first choice and that's reasonable.

Again, we're back to the IAAF's role in permitting doping being one of the main drivers of athletes doping.

I am 100%, without a doubt confident that Shannon Rowbury is clean.

Unlike you, I know her very well.

Now please go speculate about someone else