Grant Fisher - 7:50.06 3K @ Husky, wins fastest section

Worth noting matthew maton went 7:59

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Worth noting matthew maton went 7:59

Nice, glad he bounced back from that 4:17. Dressel also in Maton's heat, went 8:00. Fisher clearly head and shoulders above both, though.

Dewey_Runner wrote:

Interesting to seem him end up a step above Hunter, hopefully we see Fisher in a mile soon.

Is Huskey a flat track?

Newey_runner wrote:

Dewey_Runner wrote:

Interesting to seem him end up a step above Hunter, hopefully we see Fisher in a mile soon.

Is Huskey a flat track?

Yes, but oversized.

Dewey_Runner wrote:

Interesting to seem him end up a step above Hunter, hopefully we see Fisher in a mile soon.

Yes, can't believe a college runner ran faster than a high school runner

sssd wrote:

Dewey_Runner wrote:

Interesting to seem him end up a step above Hunter, hopefully we see Fisher in a mile soon.

Yes, can't believe a college runner ran faster than a high school runner

Can't believe that Hunter is so much slower than someone younger.

Congrats to both, and also Maton is shaping up.

It's not like Fisher completely transformed in 1 year. They can still be compared at 18 years old

Good to hear about this result. I was beginning to wonder whether he was healthy. Now it must be said that he was training with very high level collegians all fall for 8k's and 10k's, so you expect that he is going to improve a lot; it is very common, but this is still a terrific improvement, nearly 7:50 flat 1st time out as a freshman is probably among the best ever (German ran 7:47 while sick as a freshman). At this point, he's been running higher mileage and intensity than Hunter. Hunter and Fisher look to continue a great rivalry next year in the Pac 12.

Good also to see Maton bounce back and run very well. Did he even run sub 8:50 last year?

Not sure if Fisher still counts as a junior (for those under 20 at the end of the current year) but last year 7:51 was 7th on the World Junior Outdoor 3k lists.

All-time, outdoors, 29 juniors have broken 7:40 with 7:28 the record (of course, a lot of those were age cheats).

So will somebody tell me again how Tinman is a coaching genius? Fisher and Hunter were both born in 1997, so both are Juniors this year, but the perfomance levels are not equivalent.

coach d wrote:

So will somebody tell me again how Tinman is a coaching genius? Fisher and Hunter were both born in 1997, so both are Juniors this year, but the perfomance levels are not equivalent.

Fisher's coach, who also got crucified on these boards, actually coached very similar to Tinman, except without all the terminology. Tempos and very little speedwork.

the fight wrote:

coach d wrote:

So will somebody tell me again how Tinman is a coaching genius? Fisher and Hunter were both born in 1997, so both are Juniors this year, but the perfomance levels are not equivalent.

Fisher's coach, who also got crucified on these boards, actually coached very similar to Tinman, except without all the terminology. Tempos and very little speedwork.

Fisher ran less mileage than Hunter, but yes, it included a lot of tempo work, rhythm intervals, and minimal real speed work. Remember Fisher also played soccer at a very high level through his junior year.

Both Hunter's 3:58 and converted 3000 weigh in at 7:52, and considering how Hunter owned Fisher at two miles last spring, a rematch would be very close.

Notable was UW having two guys at 7:50 (school record?) and another at 4:00.

Converted 3000? Are you saying 200 to 307 is over 6 seconds?

I presume he is referring to the NCAA flat to banked/oversized conversion.

The exact conversion of Hunter's time is 7:53.82 (.9885 is the factor).

http://www.ustfccca.org/assets/NCAA-Indoor-Track-Size-Conversion-Charts.pdf

the sands wrote:

I presume he is referring to the NCAA flat to banked/oversized conversion.

The exact conversion of Hunter's time is 7:53.82 (.9885 is the factor).

http://www.ustfccca.org/assets/NCAA-Indoor-Track-Size-Conversion-Charts.pdf

That makes more sense.

Fisher also won his race. Hunter raced against much faster pros who dragged him along.

Sweet wrote:

Fisher also won his race. Hunter raced against much faster pros who dragged him along.

F-YEAH!! Hunter is a punter! Can't hold Fisher's Cardinal-issued lines running shorts!

the sands wrote:

I presume he is referring to the NCAA flat to banked/oversized conversion.

The exact conversion of Hunter's time is 7:53.82 (.9885 is the factor).

http://www.ustfccca.org/assets/NCAA-Indoor-Track-Size-Conversion-Charts.pdf

Conversions are fun. For most folks though, they don't have PRs from the respective track sizes and competition levels to support such conversions. For example, of me and all of my teammates' PRs over 3000m, the largest difference between flat 200m and 300m is 3.2 seconds. And that would be far more attributed to the typical level of competition and pace of race of that particular race on the 300m race. Mine is 1.1 seconds faster on the 300m track.

Banked 200m tracks are a blast up to the mile distance. Not sure I'll ever understand how sprinters deal with the elevation change for lanes 3+, but that bank in lane 1 is perfect.