Marquardt goes 8:06.56 for 3000m at Staten Island for a spot on the all-time top 5 in division 3 and a spot at the top of the DIII leaderboard for the year. Nice race!
Marquardt goes 8:06.56 for 3000m at Staten Island for a spot on the all-time top 5 in division 3 and a spot at the top of the DIII leaderboard for the year. Nice race!
slower than a high schooler
I am guessing very few on the list were on banked tracks.
spaghetti wrote:
slower than a high schooler
You're right! He is in fact slower than one high schooler in the country this year! You're such a smart boy!
but did he look relaxed?
He used to be a regular poster on the high school forums on Runner's World back in the day- along with Matt McClintock of Purdue. Pretty interesting to see them both rise up the ranks of collegiate running and do so well over the years, can really see how hard work starts early on and pays dividends as you keep it up
Full results?
whateverrr wrote:
He used to be a regular poster on the high school forums on Runner's World back in the day- along with Matt McClintock of Purdue. Pretty interesting to see them both rise up the ranks of collegiate running and do so well over the years, can really see how hard work starts early on and pays dividends as you keep it up
Charlie ran about 9:10 for 3200 in HS as I recall, so this is nice improvement. 8:06 is equal an 8:40-ish 3200.
Very nice, and Haverford does a good with their D1-talent guys. Just me if I were a 9:10 HS guy, I would go D1 because I'd be completely obsessed with breaking 4. I ran D3 myself, so I'm not being condescending. It's just running D1 is more likely to maximize what you have.
I'm sorry, but I can't agree, at least not fully. If I were a 9:10 guy with all the right characteristics and I was obsessed with breaking 4, I would strongly consider a range of programs. Most would be D1, but a few would be D2 and I would certainly consider a certain D3 program that has produced a number of folks within a tick or two of 4min, none of whom had the ability of Charlie. It's all about finding the right environment for success. Charlie has found it. Would he be a sub 4 guy by now at Georgetown, Syracuse, Oregon, etc. etc.? Very possibly? But he also might not be running, running 4:15, or be out of school.
JimmyMcJimson wrote:
Very nice, and Haverford does a good with their D1-talent guys. Just me if I were a 9:10 HS guy, I would go D1 because I'd be completely obsessed with breaking 4. I ran D3 myself, so I'm not being condescending. It's just running D1 is more likely to maximize what you have.
Wrong, wrong, wrong.
There is no better coach at any level than Tom Donnelly. He will maximize whatever talent you bring to the table. 9:10 guys are a dime a dozen in DI. All but a handful never amount to anything.
I'm really dubious about that claim. Donnelly is a phenomenal coach, but amounting to something in D1 is not just breaking 4/running 3:42. There're a ton of D1 guys that do it or do it right after graduating. There're a lot of great coaches, and the facilities/training partners/perks are greater in D1.
I'm dubious, too, and I was coached by Tom. He would be dubious, too. He's a great coach. Phenomenal. But there are a collection of other phenomenal coaches out there. I think it's enough to count him among those ranks.
Yeah, there's a snowball's chance in hell that you could get Tom to brag on himself. Definitely among the best coaches in the world, though. He's coached Sydney Maree and Marcus O'Sullivan to huge success for crying out loud. Honestly, as a former Haverford runner, the facilities didn't matter at all. We had a locker room, showers, gym, laundry, and access to a really good trainer. What else do you need to run well other than a good coach, which we had?
Congrats Charliezard!
another nice Loyola HS product
too bad we didn't get to see Gedyon run collegiately
localboy wrote:
another nice Loyola HS product
too bad we didn't get to see Gedyon run collegiately
What happened to him?
GoGoats wrote:
Yeah, there's a snowball's chance in hell that you could get Tom to brag on himself. Definitely among the best coaches in the world, though. He's coached Sydney Maree and Marcus O'Sullivan to huge success for crying out loud. Honestly, as a former Haverford runner, the facilities didn't matter at all. We had a locker room, showers, gym, laundry, and access to a really good trainer. What else do you need to run well other than a good coach, which we had?
As usual the reply... If the facilities didn't matter why do the best distance running schools/groups have what they have. There's a difference between running 'well' and running to your maximal point.
If D1 schools have such great facilities how come Nova and the other Philly area schools always practice on our track? Fastest flat track on the East coast!
Dee Tree wrote:
JimmyMcJimson wrote:Very nice, and Haverford does a good with their D1-talent guys. Just me if I were a 9:10 HS guy, I would go D1 because I'd be completely obsessed with breaking 4. I ran D3 myself, so I'm not being condescending. It's just running D1 is more likely to maximize what you have.
Wrong, wrong, wrong.
There is no better coach at any level than Tom Donnelly. He will maximize whatever talent you bring to the table. 9:10 guys are a dime a dozen in DI. All but a handful never amount to anything.
Without knowing much of anything about Tom Donnelly, I would say a lot of the DI guys that run 9:10 in high school do better than "never amount to anything." If you look at the lists, you'll notice that PLENTY of 4:15/9:10 high schoolers end up being 3:46/4:04 guys in college. You just don't notice them, because they don't end up winning many races unless they also develop into 1:46 800 guys.
Which is not to say they couldn't have gone DIII and done better, but they still improved. Mainly, it just goes to show how how improving beyond 4:15 in high school is sometimes a little bit of a crap shoot, especially if you are aiming for sub-4.