Who would win of the 3:59 high schooler milers?

German Fernandez.

Agreed with LV.

Liquor and Danielson weren't really my time, but Verzbicas to me just looked like a different class of runner than Maton and Fisher.

Liquori had a tremendous kick and would have dusted Verzbicas.

Danielson would kill them all.

Didn't Verzbicas run his under pretty adverse conditions? Windy day in a high school race or some such? If I'm recalling that correctly, he was probably better than the raw time would indicate.

Liquori. No doubt whatsoever.

Is it bad that this comment made me grin?

pre841 wrote:

Danielson would kill them all.

Would be a great race for sure. Depended if they had a pro pacer to keep a target pace of say 3:55. Just like diamond league, it doesn't mean they would all go with the pacer, but I see two scenarios: fastest race possible, or sit and kick.

I don't think we even knew how fast LV was capable of as he never 100% trained for running. I don't see Fisher or Maton as going 3:55 anytime soon, but I could be wrong. I would say it would be between Liquori and LV.

I'm certain that you'll have to add Hunter to this list pretty soon.

One of the important things to note about LV too is that he's one of the only sub 4 high schoolers to do it in an all-high schooler race. That guy was unstoppable, and he definitely didn't reach his limit.

I think Hunter is definitely gonna join the crew, if not be a 3:57-58 guy.

pre841 wrote:

Danielson would kill them all.

bravo, sir. bravo.

Citizen Runner wrote:

Didn't Verzbicas run his under pretty adverse conditions? Windy day in a high school race or some such? If I'm recalling that correctly, he was probably better than the raw time would indicate.

Wet and windy day and he had a lot to do on the last lap. It was a great performance and he could definitely have run faster in better circumstances.

pre841 wrote:

Danielson would kill them all.

Well done.

Citizen Runner wrote:

Didn't Verzbicas run his under pretty adverse conditions? Windy day in a high school race or some such? If I'm recalling that correctly, he was probably better than the raw time would indicate.

Verzbicas did run it in an all-HS race, but it was the Dream Mile, so it was a gathering of some of the best HSers. That being said, it was windy and raining, so conditions were quite sub-par.

Of all the individuals listed above, Verzbicas, Liquori, and Danielson could undoubtedly have run faster under less sub-par conditions.

Tracks:

- Liquori and Danielson had to deal with crappy 1960s tracks, while Verzbicas, Maton, and Fisher had nice, modern tracks.

Weather:

- No knowledge of the weather during Liquori and Danielson's runs.

- Verzbicas, as mentioned previously, was getting rained on.

- Unless I'm remembering wrong, Maton and Fisher both had near-perfect weather.

Pacing:

- I have no knowledge of the pacing in Liquori and Danielson's races.

-In Verzbicas' race, the pacer was terrible and brought the field through in 57 and 2:02, and Verzbicas had to run something like a 1:57 800m to break 4.

- Maton's race had fantastic pacing from Fleet and Miner with 1:01/2:00

- Fisher's race had fantastic pacing from Stockberger with 1:00/2:00.

Overall, it's likely that on the day of their Sub-4s, Maton and Fisher did as well as they could feasibly do, and Verzbicas, Liquori, and Danielson could all have done better.

not from here anymore wrote:

Liquori. No doubt whatsoever.

Still the youngest Olympic finialist at 1500m to this day. /EOT