How does an immigrant community ingratiate itself into society? Italians, Poles, Irish, Muslims etc

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Men of Oregon wrote:

Bill Bowerman urinated on Phil Knight

My Dad grew up in queens as an Italian immigrants (born in Argentina, but his Father was trying to get them to America from Italy). Italians were looked down upon as the losers of WWII and discriminated against. Through education and cultural assimilation, but Dad is now what you would consider an American, as will be Muslims and Hispanics in 30 years.

The key is education. Educated people don't cling to their Gods and realize that we maximize our collective utility by working together and respecting each other.

yuppers wrote:

Men of Oregon wrote:

Bill Bowerman urinated on Phil Knight

The key is education. Educated people don't cling to their Gods and realize that we maximize our collective utility by working together and respecting each other.

Good luck getting muslims to stop clinging to their false idols.

Dreams to Reality wrote:

yuppers wrote:

The key is education. Educated people don't cling to their Gods and realize that we maximize our collective utility by working together and respecting each other.

Good luck getting muslims to stop clinging to their false idols.

The Muslims that cling to their God are not educated. ISIS is not educated. History has shown that more education results in less religion, which is why religion is on the decline in developed countries and steady in developing countries.

Can this happen among the Black citizens? It seems like unless they are immigrating recently from Jamaica or Europe or Africa and retain their accent they don't stand a chance. I think much more than appearance, it is education and foremost language and diction.

Movies:

Jews:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTufuWn3jv8

Irish:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRhnyD4ZLkI

Hollywood needs to make some sappy movies about Muslims.

yuppers wrote:

Dreams to Reality wrote:

Good luck getting muslims to stop clinging to their false idols.

The Muslims that cling to their God are not educated. ISIS is not educated. History has shown that more education results in less religion, which is why religion is on the decline in developed countries and steady in developing countries.

The educated ones are worse.

In Boston and New York boarding houses used to have signs saying "no dogs, no Irish" during the peak of Irish immigration

Renumber wrote:

In Boston and New York boarding houses used to have signs saying "no dogs, no Irish" during the peak of Irish immigration

All much exaggerated in later Irish-American memory:

Here's something that's not fictional:

In my lifetime, SE Asians have assimilated extremely well (West Coast). They had the benefit of an intrinsically on violent/accommodating religion, unlike the Muslims.

I am a hick. I see what you're saying. I respect your perspective

Pangolin wrote:

In my lifetime, SE Asians have assimilated extremely well (West Coast). They had the benefit of an intrinsically on violent/accommodating religion, unlike the Muslims.

But when I think about it, I see the Italian mobsters. I see my Irish NYC cop ancestors and east Jersey hard asses

Edit: "intrinsically non-violent"

Pangolin wrote:

In my lifetime, SE Asians have assimilated extremely well (West Coast). They had the benefit of an intrinsically on violent/accommodating religion, unlike the Muslims.

Time, and being a member of the (genocidal) white race. True Americans are still strongly discriminated against overall.

A lot of USAns distrust all immigrants. If they came as adults, it is usually very easy to tell they are immigrants. Their children born and raised in USA, tend to behave as USAns in mixed company, but also fit in when in the company of their ethnic peers. Second generation born in USA fits in well, but still may be discriminated against on basis of family name if there are still a lot of new immigrants from their grandparents' country. But, being white is still important.

It also helps to have good ethnic restaurants, but the quality of these diminishes if that particular ethnic community does not have either a continuing influx of new immigrants, or has a large local tradition. "Italian" restaurants in Southern California tend to be mediocre, but there are still a lot of good ones in east coast cities. Chinese restaurants in USA usually aren't that good, but if there is a vibrant Chinatown not far away the odds of being good are much higher.

BTW, the percentage of people who identify as Christians in USA, that are radicals who not only believe in killing people by the millions, but act to carry out those beliefs, is well over 50%, at least if one goes by the results of recent US Presidential elections and the entire US history of almost constant war.

American immigrants never ingratiated itself into Native American society.

Native 'Mericans wrote:

American immigrants never ingratiated itself into Native American society.

From where did the 'native americans' originate? de novo?

gubernaculum wrote:

Native 'Mericans wrote:

American immigrants never ingratiated itself into Native American society.

From where did the 'native americans' originate? de novo?

Ummm, don't you know? From Africa via Siberia. The FIRST people to settle in the USA were 'Native Americans'.

The Irish, Italians, Jews, Poles, Chinese all bought into the American Dream. Their children learned English in the hopes of an education and good job as they struggled to make a living. They learned a trade and became experts. They had their share of gangsters (the Jewish murder incorporated, Irish mobs, and Italian mafia) but they continued to buy into being Americans even before they were accepted.

Does the current group of immigrants consider themselves Americans?

yuppers wrote:

The Muslims that cling to their God are not educated. ISIS is not educated. History has shown that more education results in less religion, which is why religion is on the decline in developed countries and steady in developing countries.

Wrong

history has shown that trying to push religion out or marginalize it results in catastrophe, and religion survives. ie Ussr Communist anti religion, Romans abusing Christians, Nazis vs Jewish religion are examples of extremist intolerance/treatment of religions that have the religion currently standing, and the "enllightened government system" dissolved.

Religion will be around long after any of the current "empires"

So now its the democracies v. Islam.

ANGRY ARNIE wrote:

yuppers wrote:

The Muslims that cling to their God are not educated. ISIS is not educated. History has shown that more education results in less religion, which is why religion is on the decline in developed countries and steady in developing countries.

Wrong

history has shown that trying to push religion out or marginalize it results in catastrophe, and religion survives. ie Ussr Communist anti religion, Romans abusing Christians, Nazis vs Jewish religion are examples of extremist intolerance/treatment of religions that have the religion currently standing, and the "enllightened government system" dissolved.

Religion will be around long after any of the current "empires"