Wesley Frazier runs a 9:01 3k at Camel City

The Brojos didn't even mention it in their write up of the Camel City races, she finished 3rd behind 2 very accomplished progressionals and beat Katie Mackey (A DL race winner last year at this same distance)

I guess her dad knows what he's doing.

Alana should train with him.

fred wrote:

I guess her dad knows what he's doing.

Alana should train with him.

Remember when Ryen (Wesley's sister) started the xc season running 16:01, beat most of the NCAA's best, and then steadily declined throughout the season until she was way, way below all-American placing at nationals?

Not so sure... wrote:

fred wrote:

I guess her dad knows what he's doing.

Alana should train with him.

Remember when Ryen (Wesley's sister) started the xc season running 16:01, beat most of the NCAA's best, and then steadily declined throughout the season until she was way, way below all-American placing at nationals?

This is true, although, I think the 5k is her ceiling, especially with such low mileage she's doing, that extra k really hit her hard

She admitted herself last year that she's more of a miler, always has been

This equates to about a 9:45 2 mile, she ran a 10:00 2 mile equivalent in HS

She will make NCAA's with that time, she can probably make it in the mile as well (4:39 in HS and has improved, 4:37 usually makes it)

She's already ran 15:45 (16:01-16:02 usually makes it) and she's in even better shape now

Not so sure... wrote:

fred wrote:

I guess her dad knows what he's doing.

Alana should train with him.

Remember when Ryen (Wesley's sister) started the xc season running 16:01, beat most of the NCAA's best, and then steadily declined throughout the season until she was way, way below all-American placing at nationals?

They state that they train the same way all the time. Low mileage and " hard " tempo.

Would you say that they get an early peak, and keep hammering until they regress?

So why would the NC coach who has seen it all not voice his opinion? Because they will leave?

I don't think its intentional, sometimes they end up getting their top times at the end of the season

She ran this on a flat 200m track so it's actually 8:56.66 after NCAA conversions

Where is Ryen?

Maybe dad isn't coaching her and let NCState coaches do their job

Idk just a thought wrote:

Maybe dad isn't coaching her and let NCState coaches do their job

I highly doubt it, he was coaching them through all of XC season, but the women's coach was just overseeing their workouts

Ryen even stated last summer she chose NC State so her dad could be more involved w/ her training, why do you think Wesley transferred to NC State?

The Dad knows what he's doing, you have to respect it

NC Runner 34 wrote:

Idk just a thought wrote:

Maybe dad isn't coaching her and let NCState coaches do their job

I highly doubt it, he was coaching them through all of XC season, but the women's coach was just overseeing their workouts

Ryen even stated last summer she chose NC State so her dad could be more involved w/ her training, why do you think Wesley transferred to NC State?

The Dad knows what he's doing, you have to respect it

re: "The Dad knows what he's doing"

Perhaps to some extent, but Dad-coaches tend to underestimate the vast knowledge acquired from years of dealing teams of athletes. Dad-coaches tend to think because they coached their own kids and perhaps a few more to success they know who the game works. Unfortunately, they usually don't understand what they lack until they have screwed up badly.

NC Runner 34 wrote:

This is after 2.5 years of on and off training

She didn't even have a decent race til last March at the Raleigh Relays after 2 relatively bad XC seasons when she ran 15:45 (previous PR 15:55)

Doesn't run another good one til a 16:28 5k at Adidas XC Challenge, however, her little sister Ryen ran a 16:06

When she was in the workout Wednesday for NC State she ran a 4 mile tempo in 5:21 so I imagined she was in shape, but after she only ran 4:49 in the mile I was definitely questioning her fitness

Then she comes out and runs a 9:01 3k, isn't that an NCAA lead? I'm surprised no one is taking about this!!

Remember when Duke signed her and the Meier girls. Frazier has been very up and down for sure. 9:01 is stellar though. Geez. The twins haven't done much at UM so far. Hardly racing at all. Maybe they ran too much in HS and that was the "peak". Hope not

NC Runner 34 wrote:

Idk just a thought wrote:

Maybe dad isn't coaching her and let NCState coaches do their job

I highly doubt it, he was coaching them through all of XC season, but the women's coach was just overseeing their workouts

Ryen even stated last summer she chose NC State so her dad could be more involved w/ her training, why do you think Wesley transferred to NC State?

The Dad knows what he's doing, you have to respect it

Ummm because her dad is overly controlling and forced her to?

Just another thought wrote:

NC Runner 34 wrote:

I highly doubt it, he was coaching them through all of XC season, but the women's coach was just overseeing their workouts

Ryen even stated last summer she chose NC State so her dad could be more involved w/ her training, why do you think Wesley transferred to NC State?

The Dad knows what he's doing, you have to respect it

Ummm because her dad is overly controlling and forced her to?

This might be the case, but with how much success the sisters have had I think they enjoy what they're doing

Not so sure... wrote:

Remember when Ryen (Wesley's sister) started the xc season running 16:01, beat most of the NCAA's best, and then steadily declined throughout the season until she was way, way below all-American placing at nationals?

This is a good point. The Dad knows what he is doing, he just doesn't know when to do it. He wants Wesley running 9:01 at the end of the season not now.

So don't change anything, just start five months later. Oh, and during those five months, just build up your endurance with nice, long aerobic running. You know, build a "base" so it can handle more of Dad's training.

And that, Letsrun, is how Arthur Lydiard came up with his training philosophy.

It's a testament to the incompetence of the NC State women's coaching staff that they let this helicopter parent influence the kids' training in any sense.

The Meiers haven't been eligible to compete for Michigan yet since the transfer. They left Duke after Frazier did so they may have to sit another semester.

But don't compare these athletes against one another. It is really the incompetence at Duke that these cases illustrate. Wesley Frazier has had an amazing HS and college career EXCEPT for her time under Christine Engel. She's run that program off the road.