Are "flat-earthers" an actual thing?

guy with a hose wrote:

A water droplet is curved as has been mentioned before. The Planet Earth is basically a big water droplet on a grand scale.

Next question?

Comparing water droplets to the planet earth as a big water droplet on a grand scale??? Total BS. Surface tension applies to drops of liquid, dummy.

You fail. Next question.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Hzvahs ahd wrote:

Although I suppose it's hard to know how many bites are real and how many are from the troll. Could be unprecedented effort, as opposed to unprecedented success

Whether they're real or not, legit is definitely soapboxing which is a sure DQ from elite troll status. A good troll provokes mayhem but doesn't seek to dominate it. Any more than 3 posts per page is too much.

Hey BG, how many times have you been defeated on this thread? Tons, practically every post. Btw, I finally registered my handle.

Hzvahs ahd wrote:

This has to be one of if not the most successful trolls of all time. Congrats!

We can end the flat earth argument this way. Flip the Hubble telescope around and have it record pics of the earth in real-time and have it programmed to view to a certain landmark or building or even a person who can share it live. Better yet, point the Hubble to Austrailia and prove it with live video and pics that people or cars or buildings or bridges are indeed standing almost upside down. Do that and if we see a globe and things are indeed upside down or sideways, then I will bow out forever.

Legit question wrote:

Hey BG, how many times have you been defeated on this thread? Tons, practically every post.

Incorrect!!!

Now watch you write half the posts on this page as usual. Don't get me wrong, you have talent, but you lack finesse.

Current Pilot here. I have flown across the Earth and would like to put in my 2 cents. Earth is definitely not a globe as I have never seen any curvature from any elevation in any area. This is a mind-blowing idea to me as I always was taught Earth was a globe so I believed it. But after being introduced with the idea of flat-earth, combined with what I have seen flying, I'm buying it.

As a physicist, let it be known that 90% of the physicist on this Earth believe the globe theory is a hoax. Is it flat? Not sure, but it most definitely not a globe.

Yes, all 90% of one physicist believe that the globe theory is false. That's why it's just a theory: it hasn't been proven.

Hey Bad Wigins,

At least he doesn't believe that Ripley's Believe or Not is science!

LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!

How the sun sets on a flat earth experiment. Check it out.

https://youtu.be/QHAMY0SlHWQ

Not only are there genuine flat-earth believers--there are actually people (billions of them!) who believe that an invisible man lives in the sky!

ywer4 wrote:

Not only are there genuine flat-earth believers--there are actually people (billions of them!) who believe that an invisible man lives in the sky!

It takes more than just a few minutes of flat earth research to overcome a lifetime of indoctrination.

Why the big lie?

No globe = No rotation = No orbit = Not Heliocentric = Geocentric = No Big Bang theory = No Darwinism or Evolution = No missing link = Not random = We are unique = Center of everything = Intelligent Design = God = Awakening of mankind = End of New World Order

Reason enough??

Who needs pictures of satellites in space as proof? Every satellite antenna owner can verify that satellites provide services, like TV.Here's a satellite experiment. Go to Miami Florida. Point a dish at DirectTV. They have a website tool to help. Verify you get TV reception, and that small pointing errors will lose the reception. This shows you are pointing at a precisely located frequency source. Record azimuth and elevation of the antenna. Now go to Anchorage Alaska and repeat. With the two measurements, calculate the position of the frequency source on the flat earth, and its height.Space walks in the thermosphere? -- better dress warmly.Great video or not, it was terrible science. LEOs don't break any laws of thermodynamics. There are various high tech thermal solutions to manage the extreme temperatures in space.

Legit question wrote:

There are no real pictures of satellites orbiting the earth, they are all CGI & animations. Spacewalks in the thermosphere? lol. Great video from Brian Mullin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HaCEMy28u4

That video might be the dumbest thing I've ever seen in my fvcking life.

At a 350 mile orbit, the Hubble is too close perform your experiment. It would have a line of sight of about +/- 23 deg.And Australia is around 25 deg S longitude, so while you might see some change in the up direction, they wouldn't be completely upside down.

Legit question wrote:

Hzvahs ahd wrote:

This has to be one of if not the most successful trolls of all time. Congrats!

We can end the flat earth argument this way. Flip the Hubble telescope around and have it record pics of the earth in real-time and have it programmed to view to a certain landmark or building or even a person who can share it live. Better yet, point the Hubble to Austrailia and prove it with live video and pics that people or cars or buildings or bridges are indeed standing almost upside down. Do that and if we see a globe and things are indeed upside down or sideways, then I will bow out forever.

If there are satellites in space, even though you have no problem believing it despite no real pictures in space as proof, then you are a fool. You rather believe in cartoons, CGI and green screen backgrounds, then more power to you.

"For Google Earth, we use military grade drones at about 30,000 ft"

Mark Aubin- Head Software Engineer, Google Earth

Why did Facebook just buy a plane for internet service? LMFAO

Mark Zuckerberg- "We've been working on ways to beam internet to people from the sky" WTF?

"If satellites existed, you wouldn't need an airplane for pictures"

Dr. James Mack, Department of Defense

How come GPS from ALL Southern California mobile phones, laptops, tablets, etc. no longer receive GPS at the literal point of the Tijuana border? Is it because I need a BILINGUAL satellite because it doesn't speak English in Mexico? Bahahahaha

Satellite TV- the signal is transmitted via microwave to a ground based antenna (tower) and runs through cable.

XMSirius satellite radio: uses ground based antennas

ONStar: uses ground based antennas

Google Earth and Google Maps: uses ground based antennas with aerial pictures from a Google drone

The point is moot. There are no satellites and there is no Hubble telescope orbiting our plane earth either.

https://aplanetruth.info/2015/05/04/the-hubble-telescope-hoax/

Every single story and picture from space has always come from one source since space flight was began: NASA.

NASA was founded in 1958 when SS Nazi Werhner Von Braun was selected to head the Saturn rocket program for all space flights. Previous to his running NASA’s rocket program, he headed the V-2 (Vengeance of Destruction) rocket program for Hitler during WWII.

Von Braun, as well as his chief rocket engineer, Arthur Rudolph used concentration camp slave labor to build their rockets that rained down on Europe killing tens of thousands of U.S. allies.

Faced with shortages of labor, Arthur Rudolph, the chief V–2 production engineer, in a memo of April 12, 1943, recommended that the missile program at Peenemünde adopt the exploitation of SS camp labor like that he saw at an aircraft factory.

Despite the complicity of some engineers, the United States did not include the engineers in the 1947 Nordhausen trial or any other war crimes trials. As later US citizens, von Braun and Rudolph later earned awards for work on the Saturn V launch vehicle that took men to the moon.

This sets the background for the launch of the Hubble Deep Space Telescope on April 24, 1990 and after fixing an alleged flawed mirror, has said by NASA to have “discovered” billions of planets, stars and galaxies.

Hubble’s discoveries have transformed the way scientists look at the universe. Its ability to show the universe in unprecedented detail has turned astronomical conjectures into concrete certainties. It has winnowed down the collection of theories about the universe even as it sparked new ones, clarifying the path for future astronomers.

Among its many discoveries, Hubble has revealed the age of the universe to be about 13 to 14 billion years, much more accurate than the old range of anywhere from 10 to 20 billion years. Hubble played a key role in the discovery of dark energy, a mysterious force that causes the expansion of the universe to accelerate.

Hubble has shown scientists galaxies in all stages of evolution, including toddler galaxies that were around when the universe was still young, helping them understand how galaxies form. It found protoplanetary disks, clumps of gas and dust around young stars that likely function as birthing grounds for new planets. It discovered that gamma-ray bursts — strange, incredibly powerful explosions of energy — occur in far-distant galaxies when massive stars collapse. And these are only a handful of its many contributions to astronomy.

The sheer amount of astronomy based on Hubble observations has also helped make it one of history’s most important observatories. More than 10,000 scientific articles have been published based on Hubble data.

The policies that govern the telescope have contributed to its incredible productivity. The telescope is an instrument for the entire astronomical community — any astronomer in the world can submit a proposal and request time on the telescope. Teams of experts then select the observations to be performed. Once observations are completed, the astronomers have a year to pursue their work before the data is released to the entire scientific community. Because everyone gets to see the information, the observations have given rise to a multitude of findings — many in areas that would not have been predicted by the telescope’s original proposals. Hubble’s success with these policies has helped spread them throughout the astronomical community, and they are becoming common with other observatories.

Problem with this all, is that it is impossible to achieve the results that NASA claims to achieve because of the simple problem of trying to photograph and record, with extremely sensitive recording equipment, stars, planets and galaxies trillions of miles away giving off the faintest of radiation to accurately determine the size, shape, heat/cold, orbit and make up of these stars, planets and galaxies while the Hubble Telescope trucks around Earth’s orbit at 5 miles/second or 17,000 miles per hour!

Every 97 minutes, Hubble completes a spin around Earth, moving at the speed of about five miles per second (8 km per second) — fast enough to travel across the United States in about 10 minutes. As it travels, Hubble’s mirror captures light and directs it into its several science instruments.

Additionally, there is the atmospheric refraction problem and an error factor of some 2500 miles to deal with:

Hubble orbits in the upper atmosphere at an altitude of approximately 569 kilometres (354 mi) and an inclination of 28.5°. The position along its orbit changes over time in a way that is not accurately predictable. The density of the upper atmosphere varies according to many factors, and this means that Hubble’s predicted position for six weeks’ time could be in error by up to 4,000 km (2,500 mi).

At this altitude of orbit of 354 miles or 569 kilometers, the temperature reaches over 4,000 degrees Fahrenheit ! What kind of man made machine can even operate at these temperatures that melt even the hardest of metals???

The thermosphere is a region of very high temperature that extends from the top of the mesosphere at around 85 kilometers up to 640 kilometers above the Earth’s surface. It is called the thermosphere because temperatures spike to thermal levels

Temperatures are highly dependent on solar activity, and can rise to 2,000 °C (3,630 °F). Radiation causes the atmosphere particles in this layer to become electrically charged (see ionosphere), enabling radio waves to bounce off and be received beyond the horizon. In the exosphere, beginning at 500 to 1,000 kilometres (310 to 620 mi) above the Earth’s surface, the atmosphere turns into space.

The highly diluted gas in this layer can reach 2,500 °C (4,530 °F) during the day..

So let’s assume that NASA figured out a way to precisely record faint radiation and light emitted from trillions of miles away while operating in 4,000F + temperatures while orbiting around the Earth at 17,000 mph, what kind of super sensitive instruments are they claiming to use here to record all the incredible (as in unbelievable!) images that tell us of a massive universe?

Hubble is a type of telescope known as a Cassegrain reflector. Light hits the telescope’s main mirror, or primary mirror. It bounces off the primary mirror and encounters a secondary mirror. The secondary mirror focuses the light through a hole in the center of the primary mirror that leads to the telescope’s science instruments.

Hubble’s primary mirror is 94.5 inches (2.4 m) in diameter. This mirror is small compared with those of current ground-based telescopes, which can be 400 inches (1,000 cm) and up, but Hubble’s location beyond the atmosphere gives it remarkable clarity.

Once the mirror captures the light, Hubble’s science instruments work together or individually to provide the observation. Each instrument is designed to examine the universe in a different way.

The Wide Field Camera 3 (WFC3) sees three different kinds of light: near-ultraviolet, visible and near-infrared, though not simultaneously. Its resolution and field of view are much greater than that of Hubble’s other instruments. WFC3 is one of Hubble’s two newest instruments, and will be used to study dark energy and dark matter, the formation of individual stars and the discovery of extremely remote galaxies previously beyond Hubble’s vision.

The Cosmic Origins Spectrograph (COS), Hubble’s other new instrument, is a spectrograph that sees exclusively in ultraviolet light. Spectrographs acts something like prisms, separating light from the cosmos into its component colors. This provides a wavelength “fingerprint” of the object being observed, which tells us about its temperature, chemical composition, density, and motion. COS will improve Hubble’s ultraviolet sensitivity at least 10 times, and up to 70 times when observing extremely faint objects.

The Advanced Camera for Surveys (ACS) sees visible light, and is designed to study some of the earliest activity in the universe. ACS helps map the distribution of dark matter, detects the most distant objects in the universe, searches for massive planets, and studies the evolution of clusters of galaxies. ACS partially stopped working in 2007 due to an electrical short, but was repaired during Servicing Mission 4 in May 2009.

The Space Telescope Imaging Spectrograph (STIS) is a spectrograph that sees ultraviolet, visible and near-infrared light, and is known for its ability to hunt black holes. While COS works best with small sources of light, such as stars or quasars, STIS can map out larger objects like galaxies. STIS stopped working due to a technical failure on August 3, 2004, but was also repaired during Servicing Mission 4.

The Near Infrared Camera and Multi-Object Spectrometer (NICMOS) is Hubble’s heat sensor. Its sensitivity to infrared light — perceived by humans as heat — lets it observe objects hidden by interstellar dust, like stellar birth sites, and gaze into deepest space.

Finally, the Fine Guidance Sensors (FGS) are devices that lock onto “guide stars” and keep Hubble pointed in the right direction. They can be used to precisely measure the distance between stars, and their relative motions.

Additionally, to give you an idea how implausibly they can accurately determine size, shape, heat/cold, orbital speed and make up of planet, stars and galaxies see how the best of ground observatories do it;

The Porto team used a different method to study a familiar exoplanet, 51 Pegasi b, which 20 years ago was the first exoplanet found orbiting a normal star. Researchers employed an instrument called the High Accuracy Radial velocity Planet Searcher (HARPS) attached to a 3.6-meter telescope operated by the European Southern Observatory (ESO) at La Silla in Chile. HARPS is one of astronomy’s most successful planet hunters; it works by scrutinizing stars for wobbles caused by the tug of an orbiting exoplanet’s gravity. That is how 51 Pegasi b—known as a “hot Jupiter” because of its size and closeness to its star—and hundreds of other exoplanets have been found.

To spot the wobble, researchers using instruments like HARPS build up a reference spectrum for the star—how brightly it shines at each wavelength—as if it is at rest. Using that reference, they then look to see if the observed spectrum shifts over time. If the observed spectrum shifts a bit toward the red end, it means the star is moving away—stretching out its light to longer wavelengths. A shift to the blue end means the star is moving closer—bunching up its light to shorter wavelengths. Repeated observations reveal the size and period of the wobble, and from that astronomers can infer some characteristics of the planet that is causing it—without actually “seeing” the planet itself.

We are told sold that the incredible ultra sensitive recording devices of the Hubble Telescope has even discovered galaxies so far away that Man can not even comprehend such distance.

The latest image assembled by images captured by Hubble is the eXtreme Deep Field (XDF). This has allowed astronomers to discover the most distant object UDFj-39546284, an early forming galaxy at over 13.2 billion light years away when the Universe was still developing into the form we see today. (Source)

To calculate just how far away they are claiming, let’s do the math.

A light-year is the distance light travels in one year, around 9461 billion kilometres, 5879 billion miles.

5879 billion miles X 13.2 Billion = 77,603,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 miles away!!!

So let’s say that the good Nazi’s at NASA, or NAZI, have been able to make these incredibly powerful instruments work.

What about all the space debris, cosmic dust, meterorite and micrometeorite debris, solar flares, asteroid and comet trails of ionic dust plus not so small impediments to view so far through the asteroid belt?

Wouldn’t all this affect such a super sensitive measurement device measuring 77 billion trillion miles away? Hmmm.

Forgot to add: Google also uses planes and hot air balloons.

NASA in Hebrew means "to deceive" Probably just a coincidence, but very appropriate!

Foucault's pendulum has been debunked. It does not prove a globe. This is so obvious: According to the ball earth model the atmosphere spins WITH the ground. According to the theory that the Focault pendulum is caused by the spin of the earth, the atmosphere does NOT spin with the ground. Supposedly the earth is spinning below the pendulum and the pendulum is staying still (because its in the air). So they're contradicting themselves. So at that point it doesn't matter how the stupid pendulum works. IF the Focault theory was correct, you could sit still in the air and wait for your destination to come to you.

Haha. Nice try, ball-worshipers.

If satellites in space don't exist, I wonder what I've been doing the last 28 or so years of my career. It's been a relatively lucrative and exciting hoax for me:- I worked on a project that sent a satellite to Venus, and have seen the pictures coming back.- I helped developed systems to measure the distance of satellites in transfer orbit, and geo-orbit, using waves travelling at the speed of light, and the pointing position of parabolic full motion tracking antennas.- I've pointed "direct to home" antennas for friends, who struggled with "offset" parabolic antennas, aiming them not at a ground based microwave tower, but up in the sky, where I knew a satellite to be emitting much higher frequencies. Tiny pointing errors resulted in a complete loss of signals across the whole spectrum, very visible on the scope I was using.- I've seen Indonesian parabolic "home" antennas always pointing straight up (not at any ground based tower)- I've seen a Swedish antenna pointing at geo-satellites, with very low elevation, but still pointing up to the sky.- I've worked on satellite projects for southern hemisphere countries like Brazil and Australia and South Africa.- I have non-military colleagues who built a ground antenna in Antarctica.You want pictures of satellites in space? On clear nights, you can see LEO objects with the naked eye. Pictures are not hard to find (or take yourself if you don't trust the internet) and they do not all come from NASA. You can "google images" with keywords like "satellite viewed from earth".Here are a few, some taken by amateur astronomers in the Netherlands and Germany:http://www.space.com/40-spotting-spaceships-earth.htmlHere's a guy who took a picture of Iridium satellite, and the space station, from his driveway:https://www.quora.com/How-would-the-sky-appear-if-every-human-made-satellite-in-orbit-around-the-Earth-was-emitting-a-light-like-a-20W-light-bulbHere are many pictures of a constellation of European satellites from a public (not linked to NASA or ESA) satellite operator:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIesWBTUeiIIf you believe these are all NASA agents, anyone with a telescope and a camera can take similar pictures, from LEO to GEO. Flat-earth amateur scientists should relish the opportunity to confirm with their own experiments.Internet from the sky? Why not? Here's a company which aspires to add 3 billion people to the hoax:http://www.o3bnetworks.comDirect to home satellite TV exists in the US, Europe, Russia, Scandinavia, South America, Indonesia, Australia, and Japan, that don't go through ground towers and cables. Every consumer can buy their own antenna, and point it directly at satellites in the sky.Here are some more "not ground based" communication services which work in the sea and sky:http://www.inmarsat.com