Montreal gets it. Why not the Pacific Northwest? Wood stoves == worse than second hand smoke

Why do you hate those that live in the country? Don't they deserve clean air as well? Also, what about poor people back east that burn coal for heat?

Most of California has ordinances on this. There are no-burn days whenever there isn't enough air movement to push out the smoke.

Also new construction no longer is allowed to have wood burning fireplaces or stoves, except in rural areas if there is no gas available.

I love the smell of wood smoke.

Smokey joe wrote:

Most of California has ordinances on this. There are no-burn days whenever there isn't enough air movement to push out the smoke.

Also new construction no longer is allowed to have wood burning fireplaces or stoves, except in rural areas if there is no gas available.

I've violated probably ever no burn day issued in the Bay Area. Never been caught and I live in a populated area. And I'll keep doing it no matter if I get fined or not.

Wood fires are why humans exist today. Stop whining like a bitch. Wear a mask if a little wood smoke bothers you six times a year.

So you're saying the the vast networks of industry are the clean air solution...

Yosemite has banned campfires in the valley except from 6:00 to 10:00 at night due to smoke. The campsites used to have smoke hanging in the air constantly. Much better now.

Dr. Butt, D.O. wrote:

Wood fires are why humans exist today.

Humans exist because we invented the spear. Fire isn't as important, and besides you can make it out of animal feces or peat like a Scotsman.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Dr. Butt, D.O. wrote:

Wood fires are why humans exist today.

Humans exist because we invented the spear. Fire isn't as important, and besides you can make it out of animal feces or peat like a Scotsman.

Chimps use spears and I don't see them living in houses with satellite TV in front of a roaring fire.

Dr. Butt, D.O. wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

Humans exist because we invented the spear. Fire isn't as important, and besides you can make it out of animal feces or peat like a Scotsman.

Chimps use spears and I don't see them living in houses with satellite TV in front of a roaring fire.

You live in Watts ?

Dr. Butt, D.O. wrote:

Smokey joe wrote:

Most of California has ordinances on this. There are no-burn days whenever there isn't enough air movement to push out the smoke.

Also new construction no longer is allowed to have wood burning fireplaces or stoves, except in rural areas if there is no gas available.

I've violated probably ever no burn day issued in the Bay Area. Never been caught and I live in a populated area. And I'll keep doing it no matter if I get fined or not.

Wood fires are why humans exist today. Stop whining like a bitch. Wear a mask if a little wood smoke bothers you six times a year.

You should post your address. I'd love to come by next no burn day and see if you actually are burning a fire. I think you're actually full of it and just trying to offend people on a message board.

Sorry about my fireplace, man. I wasn't burning it today though.

Do you have a link to the dangers of wood burning fireplaces? The restrictions sound legit but I'd like to understand the particular dangers.

smoke everywhere on my longrun wrote:

First, I have no problem with wood stoves in rural areas. Fine. Burn all the wood you want.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/montreal-residents-will-have-to-register-their-fireplaces-and-wood-burning-stoves-or-face-a-500-fine

In urban areas, like PDX, there is this "cool" factor to having a wood stove. On my long run today, I was smoked out running through many neighborhoods.

Funny how cigarette smoking is banned, but wood stove pollution is far worse and permeates into neighbourhoods everywhere, lingering all the time.

They have all this radon awareness for lung cancer, but since wood is a protected industry, there is no discussion or awareness of the dangers of constant wood smoke in the PDX and Seattle areas.

Fine in the countryside, but urban areas should seriously ban wood stoves and fireplaces. Let's clean up our freaking air!

Try jogging in Aspen or particular Vail in the winter. All the tourists want a wood fire but frequent temperature inversions turn those valleys into smoke (cough, cough) shows. City councils try to do something and all the visiting condo owners and hotel owners fight it cuz people expect to have 'em and they're only there short term so F' the locals.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Dr. Butt, D.O. wrote:

Wood fires are why humans exist today.

Humans exist because we invented the spear. Fire isn't as important, and besides you can make it out of animal feces or peat like a Scotsman.

Hail Wigins the great Anthropologist of letsrun.

Smokey joe wrote:

Dr. Butt, D.O. wrote:

I've violated probably ever no burn day issued in the Bay Area. Never been caught and I live in a populated area. And I'll keep doing it no matter if I get fined or not.

Wood fires are why humans exist today. Stop whining like a bitch. Wear a mask if a little wood smoke bothers you six times a year.

You should post your address. I'd love to come by next no burn day and see if you actually are burning a fire. I think you're actually full of it and just trying to offend people on a message board.

Check the stats on how many people have been fined in the last 8 years. It's single digits a year.

I burn freely with no consequences, and people who complain about it are ridiculous.

I use a wood stove every winter for heat, and never use the furnace at all.

It's been awhile since I've checked regulations, but am pretty sure they refer to inefficient wood stoves and fireplaces, and modern efficient wood stoves are not banned.

notroll wrote:

Try jogging in Aspen or particular Vail in the winter. All the tourists want a wood fire but frequent temperature inversions turn those valleys into smoke (cough, cough) shows. City councils try to do something and all the visiting condo owners and hotel owners fight it cuz people expect to have 'em and they're only there short term so F' the locals.

Absolute BS about Aspen. I've lived here a long time and never had any sort of "smoke show" in downtown. When I lived in the core, the only fireplace regularly used around us was our landlord's next door. Maybe in Vail, but that's a whole nother problem to begin with.

modern efficient wood stoves...

it's a smokescreen. all wood stoves pollute. even so-called efficient modern ones. They are worse than cigarettes and pollute a much greater area outside. They just pollute less than the older ones, but they are still terrible for air quality. A full ban is necessary in urban areas.

don't fall for the marketing wrote:

it's a smokescreen. all wood stoves pollute. even so-called efficient modern ones. They are worse than cigarettes and pollute a much greater area outside. They just pollute less than the older ones, but they are still terrible for air quality. A full ban is necessary in urban areas.

That is totally misleading BS.

I got a wood stove, stopped using the gas furnace, and got rid of the gas stove BECAUSE the latter were far more polluting. Toxins from gas appliances bother everyone, and of course cigarettes are much worse.

The difference between modern efficient wood stoves, and poorly constructed fire places is major. The keys are in methods of construction and in the types of material that is burned.

Utah physicians disagree.

http://www.uphe.org/?s=wood+smoke

Wood smoke is chemically identical to cigarette smoke and new wood stoves do practically nothing to reduce PM2.5.

Also, the catalytics in new wood stoves wear out in a matter of years and the cheapskates using wood stoves don't maintain them.