ironside wrote:
When Mary Decker was an 800/1500 specialist she left college to train in a way optimal for her needs.
By that you mean, doping. Great example!
ironside wrote:
When Mary Decker was an 800/1500 specialist she left college to train in a way optimal for her needs.
By that you mean, doping. Great example!
ironside wrote:
Someone please state the optimum number of 400/800/1500/one mile races per year for an 800 metres runner.
Why don't YOU tell us the optimum number of races per year for an 800m runner? You seem to have something in mind. Isn't the burden of proof on YOU to prove it?
NCAA Burn Out wrote:
Trialswatcher wrote:The NCAA over raced argument is so over blown it is hysterical, has been for years.
In the system itself, folks have no idea how many of those are all out efforts or not.
Cross Country is one of THE lightest competed varsity sports of all. Many elites run not more than one 8K and two-three 10Ks in 4 months. ReallY?
The sport has become all about trainng and harly any racing.
You THINK that is too much?
I think it hysterical, no sport is more lightly competed than Track and Field , it is one of the reasons it has such little traction for fandom or support, plus all the excuse making .
Last NCAA 800 runner to medal in the Olympics was bronze Johnny Grey in 1992. It's 2016 now.
NCAA Burn Out wrote:
NCAA Burn Out wrote:Last NCAA 800 runner to medal in the Olympics was bronze Johnny Grey in 1992. It's 2016 now.
Hmmm, there are plenty of World Championship medals though. Does "overracing" only affect leap years? You should overanalyze that trend next.
I've stated a lot of facts today regarding 800 metres. I open the floor to 800 metres runners to give their opinions.
ironside wrote:
I've stated a lot of facts today regarding 800 metres. I open the floor to 800 metres runners to give their opinions.
Okay fine. 20 races would be my ideal. 30 would be fine, 10 or fewer would be fine also. There is no one optimum.
Repeats old LR training wisdom wrote:
NCAA Burn Out wrote:Last NCAA 800 runner to medal in the Olympics was bronze Johnny Grey in 1992. It's 2016 now.
Hmmm, there are plenty of World Championship medals though. Does "overracing" only affect leap years? You should overanalyze that trend next.
My memory isn't so good. How many NCAA 800 world medalists? Let's take a look.
2013 bronze Nick Symmonds. D3, obviously not overraced.
1997 bronze Rich Kenah
And my apologizes for forgetting David Krummenackers 2003 World Indoor 800m Gold!
Symmonds raced 23 times the year in which he won a silver medal and, going back to his NCAA days, is the one of the bunch who raced cross country as well. But yeah I'm sure all those other guys "overraced."
ever heard of WR wrote:
Brazier Burger wrote:And how much faster did Ryun get?
Ummm, his 1:44.9 880y was a WR.
Because you know ZERO about T&F.
"in only his fifth competitive 880-yard race, he bested Snell’s four-year old half-mile record with a time of 1:44.9."
http://kuhistory.com/articles/ryuns-run/
ryun ran on a crap track i believe, also.
but if this kid runs 143 flat or some such, i would call the effort equivalent to ryuns, sorry old timers.
Wow. What a gorgeous runner. Even better than Rudisha. That third 200 was just fantastic.
Nigel Amos was a junior (18 yrs 147 days old) when he ran 1.41.73 in London, 2012.
yawn another showboat wrote:
What kind of a douche bag runs that hard this early in the year??
Shut up Malley.
I wonder what he could do on a DMR 1200 leg. Seems like A&M should be able to put together a competitive relay for indoor this year.
This guy definitely has a chance to run in the Olympics this year. The time is incredible.
NCAA wins: I stated a fact that 11 of last 14 Olympic gold 800 metres runners were not NCAA trained. No one wants to look at the way the 11 of 14 Olympic gold 800 metres runners train & race. I included Mary Decker in my argument because we all assume Mary was clean through 1986. The last Olympic gold for NCAA trained 800 metres athlete was Paul Ereng, 1988. That's a long time ago! Adding up XC/indoor track & NCAA outdoor track, a NCAA 800 metres athlete will race over fifty races a year. That includes 400 metres relay legs. Racing over fifty races per year is too much and is not beneficial to the 800 metres athlete's development.
ironside wrote:
NCAA wins: I stated a fact that 11 of last 14 Olympic gold 800 metres runners were not NCAA trained. No one wants to look at the way the 11 of 14 Olympic gold 800 metres runners train & race. I included Mary Decker in my argument because we all assume Mary was clean through 1986. The last Olympic gold for NCAA trained 800 metres athlete was Paul Ereng, 1988. That's a long time ago! Adding up XC/indoor track & NCAA outdoor track, a NCAA 800 metres athlete will race over fifty races a year. That includes 400 metres relay legs. Racing over fifty races per year is too much and is not beneficial to the 800 metres athlete's development.
Your understanding of statistics seems to be quite poor. Let's focus on your original argument here: "only" 3 of the last 11 Olympic champions ran in the NCAA systems.
When I pointed out that this represented 27% of the total (which is quite high), you said some gibberish about the "inverse" and pointed out the extremely obvious: 73% of the last 11 gold medalists were NOT products of the NCAA system. This is, of course, true. It also does not strengthen your argument.
Please try to follow: less than 27% of the world's 800m runners are NCAA trained (honestly, it is probably WAY less than 27%). Despite this, 27% of Olympic 800m gold medals since 1972 have gone to NCAA athletes.
Whether or not you agree with the premise, this stat indicates that the NCAA system is very effective at developing 800m studs. It certainly does not indicate that the reverse is true. You seem to think that it does.
In all honesty, I don't even disagree with you. I am just shocked that you are unable to see the flaws in your statistical argument. Your stats truly help "the other side".
Wilson Kipketer never ran NCAA and has several Olympic gold medals to prove it.
Has anyone tracked down video of this race yet?
Wilson Kipketer never won an Olympic gold medal! Sliver 2000 Bronze 2004
Galen Rupp never won an Olympic gold medal! What's your point?
Plausible Denial wrote:
Wilson Kipketer never ran NCAA and has several Olympic gold medals to prove it.
100% of NCAA 800m runners have NEVER held the 800m WR.