Remember when "atheist" had a negative connotation?

At the time of these epic war games in a tiny area did those people think that they were the only people on Earth or something?

It's amazing that God was really in on their lives and meanwhile people were in North America and Australia etc. oblivious to all of this.

Why was this one area so damned important?

thejeff wrote:

This guy wrote:

Awesome. Life's pretty simple when everything that good, bad, wrong, right, useless and utterly senseless is all god's doing. All his choice. Oh, but we all have free will. But it's all decided by him no matter what.

Why an atheist would want to complicate that is beyond me.

That's why they write fairy tales Jeff, for the simple minded.

thejeff wrote:

Sloetry in Motion wrote:

So unless all the slaughtered children were going to somehow grow up to be Hitler-esque, then their slaughter was not justified. That means the god you worship has commanded something incredibly immoral. How do you square the circle of an all-loving god and a child slaughtering god? Even if it did exist, why would you worship a god that would command something so immoral?

If you are going to put words in my mouth, I am not gonna let you play any reindeer games.

Well good luck with everything. I could see how you might have confused yourself by saying the slaughter of children is not justified and then trying to justify it in the very next sentence. Pay close attention to the other posters that don't believe in giants and don't try to justify slavery and maybe they'll help with your journey towards reality.

Oh, I had forgotten about the giants. The gods were coming to earth to have sex with the humans and their offspring were giants. 3,000 feet tall, I think? I\'ll have to look it up. They were big.

\"Well good luck with everything. I could see how you might have confused yourself by saying the slaughter of children is not justified and then trying to justify it in the very next sentence. Pay close attention to the other posters that don\'t believe in giants and don\'t try to justify slavery and maybe they\'ll help with your journey towards reality.\"

Bible Scholar wrote:

Oh, I had forgotten about the giants. The gods were coming to earth to have sex with the humans and their offspring were giants. 3,000 feet tall, I think? I'll have to look it up. They were big.

HUGE!!!

There were Biblical scholars from the early 1st century that have studied the ancient texts regarding angels and humans.

http://www.douglashamp.com/part-six-the-sons-of-god-according-to-ancient-sources/

Athenagoras

Church Father Athenagoras, AD 177 wrote in “Concerning the Angels and Giants” that it was the fallen angels who fathered the giants before the flood.

Just as with men, who have freedom of choice as to both virtue and vice […], so is it among the angels. Some, free agents, you will observe, such as they were created by God, continued in those things for which God had made and over which He had ordained them; but some outraged both the constitution of their nature and the government entrusted to them: namely, this ruler of matter and its various forms, and others of those who were placed about this first firmament […] these fell into impure love of virgins, and were subjugated by the flesh, and became negligent and wicked in the management of the things entrusted to him.” [ix]

Notice Athenagoras’ description of how these angels outraged (were not faithful) to the government that had been entrusted to them. This language of course corresponds to the language of 2 Peter 2 and Jude of the angels that did not keep their first estate (residence). Athenagoras further commented how these angels could no longer rise to where they once had been (heaven) and the souls of giants, who he says are in fact demons, wander the world.

These angels, then, who have fallen from heaven, and haunt the air and the earth, and are no longer able to rise to heavenly things, and the souls of the giants, which are the demons who wander about the world, perform actions similar, the one (that is, the demons) to the natures they have received, the other (that is, the angels) to the appetites they have indulged. [x]

Commodianus

Commodianus, A.D. 240, wrote how from angels’ seed the giants came about. Again, we see that the ancient Christian interpreter believed Genesis 6 to be referring to the comingling of angels and women which produced a hybrid race of giants, which confirms that when Jesus mentioned “as it was in the days of Noah, so will the coming of the Son of Man be” people would have thought about the Nephilim.

When Almighty God, to beautify the nature of the world, willed that earth should be visited by angels, when they were sent down they despised His laws. Such was the beauty of women, that it turned them aside; so that, being contaminated, they could not return to heaven. Rebels from God, they uttered words against Him. Then the Highest uttered His judgment against them; and from their seed giants are said to have been born. […] But the Almighty, because they were of an evil seed, did not approve that, when dead, they should be brought back from death. Whence wandering they now subvert many bodies, and it is such as these especially that ye this day worship and pray to as gods. [xi]

The Extant Writings of Julius Africanus

Julius Africanus (A.D. c. 160?- c. 240?) was the first to tentatively suggest that “sons of God” might be referring to the descendants of Seth and the “seed of men” could possibly be referring to descendants of Cain. However, he also conceded that it could just be angels as the text he was reading stated. Furthermore, it was by these angels that the race of giants was conceived. Augustine, however, was truly the first to state without a doubt that the sons of God simply meant sons of Seth.

When men multiplied on the earth, the angels of heaven came together with the daughters of men. In some copies I found “the sons of God.” What is meant by the Spirit, in my opinion, is that the descendants of Seth are called the sons of God on account of the righteous men and patriarchs who have sprung from him, even down to the Savior Himself; but that the descendants of Cain are named the seed of men as having nothing divine in them, on account of the wickedness of their race and the inequality of their nature, being a mixed people, and having stirred the indignation of God. But if it is thought that these refer to angels, we must take them to be those who deal with magic and jugglery, who taught the women the motions of the stars and the knowledge of things celestial, by whose power they conceived the giants as their children, by whom wickedness came to its height on the earth, until God decreed that the whole race of the living should perish in their impiety by the deluge.[xii]

Regarding your genocide question, canabalism and child sacrifice was practiced by the Canaanites would fall under "deplorable sinfulness".

Sure, drought may have worked, then again how would have Noah survived that? Unless he would have the capabilities to grow crops w/o water on his own, etc. A worldwide drought would have stunk of rotting flesh, no?

I think the offering up your two virgin daughters to protect two visiting angels is a reasonable thing!

Noah would have had snacks like Manna dropped to him much like those packages in the Hunger Games.

The aftermath of a Flood would smell pretty bad to, no?

Well wrote:

Noah would have had snacks like Manna dropped to him much like those packages in the Hunger Games.

The aftermath of a Flood would smell pretty bad to, no?

Not sure if Noah's Flood would have smelled to bad. Two find out we'd could look at the aftermaths of one or to modern day floods.

Twothaches wrote:

Well wrote:

Noah would have had snacks like Manna dropped to him much like those packages in the Hunger Games.

The aftermath of a Flood would smell pretty bad to, no?

Not sure if Noah's Flood would have smelled to bad. Two find out we'd could look at the aftermaths of one or to modern day floods.

You mean like the piles of bodies after the Tsunami of 2005?

On the contrary a drought dries stuff out. Jerky does not smell.

Jack Links wrote:

Twothaches wrote:

Not sure if Noah's Flood would have smelled to bad. Two find out we'd could look at the aftermaths of one or to modern day floods.

You mean like the piles of bodies after the Tsunami of 2005?

On the contrary a drought dries stuff out. Jerky does not smell.

You may be to quick two judgement. Give it a moment or too.

Twothaches wrote:

Jack Links wrote:

You mean like the piles of bodies after the Tsunami of 2005?

On the contrary a drought dries stuff out. Jerky does not smell.

You may be to quick two judgement. Give it a moment or too.

You are too quick on your choice of to, too and two.

Jack Links wrote:

Twothaches wrote:

You may be to quick two judgement. Give it a moment or too.

You are too quick on your choice of to, too and two.

You are getting there. Take to more moments.

It seems the first thing the Omnipotent One did shortly after his big project was done was lose control of the whole experiment.

The first couple were having trouble following simple orders, their kids were killing each other and then the Angels started fornicating everything.

It's no wonder He took early retirement.

This guy wrote:

thejeff wrote:

Why an atheist would want to complicate that is beyond me.

That's why they write fairy tales Jeff, for the simple minded.

Echo?

wtfunny wrote:

thejeff wrote:

.... Their sin brought death into the world, brokenness to creation, and the warned and deserved punishment from God. .....

1. OK . this begs the question .. if there was no death prior to this .. how exactly did they eat. And what?

2. And what exactly was the plan to mitigate the incipient over-population?

3. Or, how did god not know this was all going to happen already?

4. And if your god DID know, then how is it really free will if it's all preordained?

1. See Genesis 2

2. I dunno... not sure how the lack of infant mortality would have affected birth rates... I doubt folks would have had as many kids, tho...

3. I imagine he did, the same way we know our children will disobey us when we tell them not to (fill in the blank)... do you have kids?

4. Yes, the same way our children have free will when they disobey.

A real Fukushima wrote:

It seems the first thing the Omnipotent One did shortly after his big project was done was lose control of the whole experiment.

The first couple were having trouble following simple orders, their kids were killing each other and then the Angels started fornicating everything.

It's no wonder He took early retirement.

Do you think he intended to create puppets? That seems boring.

Sloetry in Motion wrote:

thejeff wrote:

If you are going to put words in my mouth, I am not gonna let you play any reindeer games.

Well good luck with everything. I could see how you might have confused yourself by saying the slaughter of children is not justified and then trying to justify it in the very next sentence. Pay close attention to the other posters that don't believe in giants and don't try to justify slavery and maybe they'll help with your journey towards reality.

I am not sure what you want.

Do you want an unjust God, one that does not punish sin? Do you wish God had made us perfect puppets, so that we were unable to sin? Do you wish that God did not exist?

I am trying to answer your questions as openly and honestly as possible, and what I get from you in return are misrepresentations of my comments and sarcasm.

PS- I never once tried to justify owning slaves. What I DID remind you was that the abolitionist movement was led by Christians.

thejeff wrote:

A real Fukushima wrote:

It seems the first thing the Omnipotent One did shortly after his big project was done was lose control of the whole experiment.

The first couple were having trouble following simple orders, their kids were killing each other and then the Angels started fornicating everything.

It's no wonder He took early retirement.

Do you think he intended to create puppets? That seems boring.

No, I don't believe He exists. I was just pondering the depth of your madness.

But clearly you guys think he TRIED to be the Master of Puppets.

But if He knew everyone would disobey, why was He always speaking in a booming voice and killing kids etc.?

Imagine if someone tried to pull that sh*t today?