Remember when "atheist" had a negative connotation?

thejeff wrote:

This guy wrote:

Awesome. Life's pretty simple when everything that good, bad, wrong, right, useless and utterly senseless is all god's doing. All his choice. Oh, but we all have free will. But it's all decided by him no matter what.

Why an atheist would want to complicate that is beyond me.

They why they write fairy tales Jeff, for simple minds like yours.

thejeff wrote:

Jeff on a Starship wrote:

Your perspective attempts to refute logic.

OUR perspective DEFINES our logic. What was logical to you as a 5 year old is less logical to you now. What is logical to someone who lives in a 3 dimensional finite world may not mean squat (specialized theological term) to an infinite omnipotent being.

How do you know He is omnipotent if He hasn't proved it?

This guy wrote:

thejeff wrote:

Why an atheist would want to complicate that is beyond me.

They why they write fairy tales Jeff, for simple minds like yours.

Shhh... I am watching my boohbah

The meaning of the word wrote:

thejeff wrote:

OUR perspective DEFINES our logic. What was logical to you as a 5 year old is less logical to you now. What is logical to someone who lives in a 3 dimensional finite world may not mean squat (specialized theological term) to an infinite omnipotent being.

How do you know He is omnipotent if He hasn't proved it?

Define "proof" in the way that you mean it.

I am off to bed. Looking forward to reading your response tomorrow :-)

thejeff wrote:

The meaning of the word wrote:

How do you know He is omnipotent if He hasn't proved it?

Define "proof" in the way that you mean it.

I am off to bed. Looking forward to reading your response tomorrow :-)

The new leg and Christopher Reeve becoming Christopher Walken.... That proof.

Omnipotent: able to do ANYTHING

Stagger, I will address each point separately. First up is Gen 7:21. The rest will follow later....

In order to understand Gen 7:21, one has to study Gen 6:1 in greater depth. This is accomplished by consulting the Book of Enoch. Although Enoch has been excluded from the canon, it is treated as sacred text in the Ethiopian Bible. OT researcher, Rob Skiba refers to the book of Enoch as a "synchronized, biblically endorsed, extra-biblical text".

Enoch 6:1-2

"In those days, when the children of man had multiplied, it happened that there were born unto them handsome and beautiful daughters. And the angels, the children of heaven, [the Watchers are a specific class of angels] saw them and desired them; and they said to one another, “Come, let us choose wives for ourselves from among the daughters of man and beget us children.”

This is how human-angelic hybrids (nephilm) populated the earth and their DNA was introduced into the human race. This was Satan's method to prevent the birth of Christ from ever occurring. The first generation offspring became giants of unimaginable proportions and possessing intellect far beyond humans hence the term, "men of renown".

Enoch chapters 7 and 8 fills in more details: These giants consumed the produce of all the people until the people detested feeding them. So the giants turned against the people in order to eat them. And they began to sin against birds, wild beasts, reptiles, and fish. And their flesh was devoured the one by the other, and they drank blood. And then the earth brought an accusation against the oppressors. (These giants were evil creatures).

Now to answer your question about Noah being spared and the entire human race being wiped out in the flood. Noah was the only man left on earth whose DNA was not corrupted. The same was the case for his wife, sons and their presumably their wives. Even the birds and animals DNA was mixed with the angelic strain. God saw what happened to his creation and he was angry that Satan had almost succeeded in ruining the human race and perverted the animal DNA as well. If Noah's DNA was corrupted, then God would have wiped out everyone, including Noah and the animals.

Noah walked with God, whereas the rest of "the earth was corrupt in the sight of God, and the earth was filled with violence. And God looked on the earth, and behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way upon the earth” (Genesis 6:11,12).

You have to realize that those living upon the Earth were completely and utterly wicked beyond the hope of changing. There were no innocent bystanders caught up in the Flood; everyone was guilty of the most deplorable sinfulness. The children and infants were destined to be wicked and they were NEVER going to turn to God once they matured. If that conflicts with your sense of morality and justice, I can understand that but when the entire human race had no desire to follow God, then what was the point to spare them?

Cool story, bro.

I believe the lady was actually turned into a pillar of salt.

7000 religions?

Perhaps, but how many of them are major religions? Just because you believe in killing people as a good deed, that does not make it a good religion and it will probably not be a major religion.

No, there are just a few major religions and if a person follows them the way the forefathers had intended, they are all good religions which will lead you to a good life and perhaps eternal life too.

That's the idiotic excuse that's been used a million times. Do you think that you can actually write one of your own or at least explain one in a different way?

I have already done that on this thread when I explained that although there may be 7000 religions, there are only a few major ones.

The major ones, if followed as intended are ALL good ones.

The problem is we actually have almost 7 billion religions now!

If that's true, we're all going to hell.

I will not vote for Trump unless it's between him and Hillary, but I do not necessarily believe either will go to hell. Even Bill Clinton my have everlasting life. Look at all the good things he has done!

Vote for Ted Cruz!!!

Amazingly to me this is still a very original post:

"Atheism is about nothing. That is I why the atheist must say NOOO! NOOO!!

NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! to everything the Christian says.

The NO may be in terms of "spaghetti monster" or "poobah" or "it does not exist" but it can still be recognized as NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

This is the same response a 4 year old gives to it's parent.

Jed Clampett: perhaps some context to your posts? You remind me of the guy in the grocery store who looks crazy because he's talking to himself, but then you realize he's got a Bluetooth. Quote some text, brother. Context.

Stagger, here is my response to 2 Chronicles 13:15-18

First a little history lesson before diving into 2 Chronicles 13:15-18 Upon King Solomon's death Israel was split into two: a Northern Kingdom and a Southern Kingdom. Solomon's son Rehoboam became the King of the Southern Kingdom (Judah) and Solomon's servant, Jeroboam became the King of the Northern Kingdom (Israel). Every single king of Israel (including Jeroboam) that followed after him did not believe in or obey God. The kings were all wicked and pagan worshippers and the people of Northern Kingdom also kept worshipping idols and turned their backs against God as well. All this idol worship made God very angry.

Now to answer your question. Why was Jeroboam's army wiped out? Simple. God sought to punish Jeroboam for his idolatry. The sin of Jeroboam was doubly tragic in that he had been promised blessing from God if he had just followed the path of David. “If you do whatever I command you and walk in obedience to me and do what is right in my eyes by obeying my decrees and commands, as David my servant did, I will be with you. I will build you a dynasty as enduring as the one I built for David and will give Israel to you” (1 Kings 11:38). In turning to calf-worship, Jeroboam spurned God’s goodness and brought about his own demise: “The sin of the house of Jeroboam . . . led to its downfall and to its destruction from the face of the earth” (1 Kings 13:34).

Jeroboam chose to defy God. Bad move.

Stagger, on to part 3. Numbers 16:41-49

This is the story of Korah and his attempted coup against Moses and Aaron. He led a revolt against Moses and Aaron, accusing them of exalting themselves above all the Israelites. Korah gathered 250 other men to challenge Moses’ authority as well: “You have gone too far! The whole community is holy, every one of them, and the Lord is with them. Why then do you set yourselves above the Lord's assembly?”

Obviously, Korah thought that he could do a better job leading the people than Moses was doing. I think Korah was jealous. Moses proposed a test to prove his authority. Korah and his followers did not pass the test, and God opened up the earth and swallowed the rebels, their families, and all their possessions. Furthermore, “fire came out from the LORD” and consumed the other 250 men who were party to Korah’s rebellion. The rest of the Israelites were terrified and fled.

The following day, instead of being convinced that God had vindicated Moses and Aaron, the congregation began complaining that they had “killed the LORD’s people.” For this act of rebellion, God threatened to destroy the whole congregation and sent a plague among them. However, Moses and Aaron interceded for the rebels and averted a complete catastrophe. In the end, 14,700 Israelites had died.

Moral of the story, don't defy God and who he has put in authority.

Stagger, my response for part 4. Joshua 6:20-21.

After Moses died, Joshua became the leader of the Israelites and was charged with bringing his people into the Promised Land, but first he had to destroy Jericho.

On the surface, it looks cruel that God commanded the Israelites to utterly destroy all the men, women, children and animals. That would viewed as genocide. However, these were Canaanites. The Canaanite nations were punished because of their extreme wickedness. God did not cast out the Canaanites for being a particular race or ethnic group. They practiced “abominable customs” (Leviticus 18:30) and did “detestable things” (Deuteronomy 18:9, NASB). They practiced cannibalism, idolatry, witchcraft, soothsaying, and sorcery. The Canaanites even practiced child sacrifice: they would “burn even their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods” (Deuteronomy 12:30). Clearly, these were NOT good people.

Getting back to Joshua, why were the Israelites commanded to take the lives of innocent children?  In commanding complete destruction of the Canaanites, God commanded the Israelites: "You shall not intermarry with them, giving your daughters to their sons, or taking their daughters for your sons, for they would turn away your sons from following me, to serve other gods” (Deut 7.3-4).

God did not want idolatry to be practiced and He knew that surviving Canaanites would lead some of the Israelites down the wrong path. Are you beginning to see a pattern here? God hates idol worship, period.

Well, yours wasn't a statement, you asked "How do you know they are bad?" .. and I'm asking you how YOU know rape and murder are bad?

Oh, careful now yo'.

If you try to make some argument for your god based on this idea, it'll bite you in the a$$. How many aspects of the moral code in your bible are "essentially the same" the world over?

The answer is very few. Rape, murder, .... honor your parents and even THAT one's sketchy. How many of the OTHER standards of moral code in your bible are NOT "essentially the same" the world over?

Do you REALLY wanna go through all the rules and regs of your bible and see how many are consistent across culture?

As for "they are not relative" .. you completely fail. Of course they're relative. I pointed out that already, and of course you pretended I didn't.

Your bible commands 'thou shall not kill' and then your god promptly commands people to kill. That's the very definition of relative. it's not an absolute at all.

if it were, it was talk about when, specifically, people are to be stoned to death.

So you're suggesting your god gave people the same moral code he gave moose? But not ducks, who routinely rape. Or lions, who routinely kill. or, of course, jews, who he specifically commanded to annihilate other people.

it's far more reasonable to simply understand that collective, social creatures live, generally, by structures that support and built that social collective. And those that don't, don't fare so well.

Even WITH your god, they're completely relative.

How quaint.

So the slavery of the time, which we know was horrific, he didn't say a single word against?

How was your god speaking to christian slaves at a time christianity, indeed, christ, didn't exist?

thejeff wrote:

But really, this is getting off on a whole new rabbit trail (that is partially my fault). Could YOU pull the trigger and assassinate Hitler in 1943? I could? How about 1939? I probably could. How about 1919? Hmm, getting tougher... How about April 30th, 1889, when he was 10 days old? At what point are you glad that you aren't the one who has to make those kinds of decisions?

I should probably read the rest of this thread before I respond to this .. but there are probably quite a few people who would answer "yes" if you you substitute the name "Moses" for "Hitler" and change the dates.

Fascinating.

What's the Aramaic word for "DNA"? How does ancient Greek translate DNA?

Can you give me some examples of "the most deplorable sinfulness" that somehow surpasses genocide?

If the fish were tainted with these corrupt files, well .. far be it for me to question the plan of the omnipotent ... but wouldn't a flood be a poor choice for wiping the planet of this vile DNA? How about drought?