A lot of people assume most or all WRs are set by dopers. But Paula's WR is so out there compared to any other women's marathon. No other WR is that dominant over other performances. Why?
A lot of people assume most or all WRs are set by dopers. But Paula's WR is so out there compared to any other women's marathon. No other WR is that dominant over other performances. Why?
Because she strength trained and had a whole team of people around her helping her (legally). If the Kenyans strength trained like she did, you'd see the guys running the equivalent to her (close to 2 hrs) and the Kenyan women running closer to her. This is not drugs-- it's a body that maintains form when fatigued.
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The difference between the best woman, like Paula, and the next tier is larger than it is for men, because the best woman have narrower hips, like men, and have a large advantage over woman who have wider hips. The top men have no such advantage over the next tier of men.
Therein lies the answer.
reader of the forums 2.0 wrote:
The difference between the best woman, like Paula, and the next tier is larger than it is for men, because the best woman have narrower hips, like men, and have a large advantage over woman who have wider hips. The top men have no such advantage over the next tier of men.
So there is Paula Radcliffe, and every other marathon running woman ever has big child-bearing hips that slow them way down?
Her 2:17 is the only legit comparison, and the several minute gap from that to the next possibly clean time (Yamaguchi? Kastor?) is the blood doping.
I suppose one could ask how Lance managed to win 7 straight TDFs, which is a form of dominance despite the fact that he was not the only one cheating. It happens, and Paula's record will one day be broken.
hurman monster wrote:
I suppose one could ask how Lance managed to win 7 straight TDFs, which is a form of dominance despite the fact that he was not the only one cheating. It happens, and Paula's record will one day be broken.
^This. Or ask about Junxia. Or Flo-Jo.
For a world record to last over a decade, one needs imho:
- great talent
- terrific training
- high pain threshold
- luck with the weather
- a helpful drug that one couldn't use afterwards (e.g., because of the new testing method)
Having said that, I'm sure some more optimistic people will argue against the last point. But the first four points will always be reproduced by someone...
Note also that we keep improving training and nutrition and shoes etc., but not in jumps. So if some lady will run a 2:13 next year in the London Marathon, I will call that suspicious. ;-)
Well FloJos was a double whammy. Not only was she most likely doping, but she also got help with wind instrument failure, that they refuse to admit to this day. +4-6mps wind for every race, except for a miracle 0.0 on that race.
rubbish and nonsense
read Tyler's book. "The secret race".
a ferrari versus a datsun wrote:
rubbish and nonsense
read Tyler's book. "The secret race".
comment above is regarding Lance having no advantage.
not drugged. wrote:
Because she strength trained and had a whole team of people around her helping her (legally). If the Kenyans strength trained like she did, you'd see the guys running the equivalent to her (close to 2 hrs) and the Kenyan women running closer to her. This is not drugs-- it's a body that maintains form when fatigued.
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What type of strength training? I'm legit curious.
Seoul Train wrote:
reader of the forums 2.0 wrote:The difference between the best woman, like Paula, and the next tier is larger than it is for men, because the best woman have narrower hips, like men, and have a large advantage over woman who have wider hips. The top men have no such advantage over the next tier of men.
So there is Paula Radcliffe, and every other marathon running woman ever has big child-bearing hips that slow them way down?
Haven't you ever heard the phrase "One of a kind"?
Yeah, you're right! One of a kind responder to autologus blood transfusion and other PEDs....
macdaddy wrote:
Haven't you ever heard the phrase "One of a kind"?
This gives great insight (posting key excerpts below). I don't believe the Africans are doing even close to the amount of stuff she did. Furthermore, if you read "Train Hard, Win Easy The Kenyan Way", the African women are conscious of their weight and likely undereating/undernourished. Paula and her team analyzed every single detail to make sure her body was healthy and could perform optimally. Those who brush off strength training by saying "Well the Africans don't strength train" need to take a look at what Paula did-- she's better than them because she did everything possible ensure she got the most out of her body.
People can bash her, with no evidence actually (!), that she had to have doped-- even if she did, she's still 3 min. faster. It comes down to all the auxiliary stuff she did.
http://www.runnersworld.com/elite-runners/paula-radcliffes-journey-from-disappointing-fourth-to-dominant-firstSeoul Train wrote:
reader of the forums 2.0 wrote:The difference between the best woman, like Paula, and the next tier is larger than it is for men, because the best woman have narrower hips, like men, and have a large advantage over woman who have wider hips. The top men have no such advantage over the next tier of men.
So there is Paula Radcliffe, and every other marathon running woman ever has big child-bearing hips that slow them way down?
Radcliffe does NOT have big child bearing hips.
Paying attention wrote:
Radcliffe does NOT have big child bearing hips.
"Paying attention". Now there's an ironic user name.
She blood doped, altitude trained, drafted behind male pacers, ran for time on a fast course and killed it.
Jiptoo ran 2:18.57 in Boston, which would probably equate to a 2:17.30 on a good day in Berlin or London. She dropped a 4:48 final mile. She was not going for time, she was just picking up another huge pay check for the win. She was on EPO.
Belays of glory wrote:
Her 2:17 is the only legit comparison, and the several minute gap from that to the next possibly clean time (Yamaguchi? Kastor?) is the blood doping.
Do you really beleive that Yamaguchi and Kastor are clean? You must believe in fairy tales.
None of the sub 2:20 women were clean....
Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
Des Linden: "The entire sport" has changed since she first started running Boston.
Matt Choi was drinking beer halfway through the Boston Marathon
Ryan Eiler, 3rd American man at Boston, almost out of nowhere
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