Rupp claims he ran 27:08 in 90 degree heat in Beijing. That's a lie right?

I don't see how Rupp could have broken the AR in 90-degree heat. He hasn't done that well in the heat. Cool, not too moist and not dry, evening seems his preferred condition.

Ah, the past... wrote:

I don't see how Rupp could have broken the AR in 90-degree heat. He hasn't done that well in the heat. Cool, not too moist and not dry, evening seems his preferred condition.

His point was that his time (27:08) would have broken the American record from six years ago. At that point, the AR was only 27:13.

It wasn't quite 90 degrees that night in Beijing (79 actually, see our recap below) but it was humid and definitely tough for distance running. Definitely a very impressive performance by Rupp.

Let's try to understand this. Rupp was running in 90 degree heat (ok, 79 degrees with high humidity). So what were the temperature humidity conditions for the four guys who beat him (pretty solidly, as I recall)?

And if the weather had been better Molly would have beaten Emily to the line?

Alanson wrote:

Let's try to understand this. Rupp was running in 90 degree heat (ok, 79 degrees with high humidity). So what were the temperature humidity conditions for the four guys who beat him (pretty solidly, as I recall)?

And if the weather had been better Molly would have beaten Emily to the line?

Not only did you completely missed the point of this thread, but that is not what Rupp was implying at all.

Rupp merely implied that he shouldn't be too hard on himself because he ran (what would have been) an American record just 6 years ago. Along with that, he stated that he ran it in non-ideal conditions... Has nothing to do with the other people in the race.

Alanson wrote:

Let's try to understand this. Rupp was running in 90 degree heat (ok, 79 degrees with high humidity). So what were the temperature humidity conditions for the four guys who beat him (pretty solidly, as I recall)?

Everyone who isn't a moron like you can understand it just fine. He meant that he ran a very good race, one of the best of his career, but was beaten by better competition. Had he run 27:08 in great weather and gotten 5th he would be disappointed knowing he can do better.

79, 90, in ventolin world it is the same thing. Not to mention the 1.31 meters extra he ran on the turn.

he coulda run 26:26 in better conditions.

Rupp trains in Oregon where it is cool, so humidity rarely plays a role in his training. if he'd been smart he'd have spent the previous half year training in Florida where he'd have gotten used to humidity.

They should obviously train in hot, humid conditions ahead of major championships to be held in such conditions. That being said, 27:08 in what were reported to be very uncomfortable conditions and certainly far, far from Stanford/Euro circuit ideal conditions, was very impressive and indicated fitness far below 26:50.

Mr. Obvious wrote:

79, 90, in ventolin world it is the same thing. Not to mention the 1.31 meters extra he ran on the turn.

he coulda run 26:26 in better conditions.

With a wabbit and if he hadn't been jogging a couple of those laps in there, it would have been worth 26:19, and 26:08 in perfect weather.

jjjjj wrote:

They should obviously train in hot, humid conditions ahead of major championships to be held in such conditions. That being said, 27:08 in what were reported to be very uncomfortable conditions and certainly far, far from Stanford/Euro circuit ideal conditions, was very impressive and indicated fitness far below 26:50.

Comfort is mental. No way you can just give him a 30 second improvement based on that.

They train in Houston before championship races in humid conditions (Beijing, Osaka)

What was the humidity again? I believe when you looked at the heat index it wasn't far off from 90.

In that article he mentioned he has changed his diet due to (in his eyes) his failure last year. Several people said he looked thinner than usual at the Half. Maybe this is why. Galen sounds really hard on himself.

He looks thinner because he is probably training for the marathon... At least that's my theory from what I saw on Sunday...

love hobbyjoggers wrote:

Alanson wrote:

Let's try to understand this. Rupp was running in 90 degree heat (ok, 79 degrees with high humidity). So what were the temperature humidity conditions for the four guys who beat him (pretty solidly, as I recall)?

Everyone who isn't a moron like you can understand it just fine. He meant that he ran a very good race, one of the best of his career, but was beaten by better competition. Had he run 27:08 in great weather and gotten 5th he would be disappointed knowing he can do better.

If you recall, all of the first five basically lapped the rest of the field. It was a dogged struggle between Mo, Rupp, and three Kenyans, and Rupp was in the thick of it until the final lap when he couldn't match the closing speed of the others. Still, I was astounded how well and courageously he ran. Two or three weeks prior, I had seen him finish a well-beaten fourth in a mile race on a cool night in Portland behind runners whose names were unfamiliar to me, and he failed to break four minutes. In that muggy evening in Bejing, don't forget, he trounced all of the Ethiopians.

macdaddy wrote:

Alanson wrote:

Let's try to understand this. Rupp was running in 90 degree heat (ok, 79 degrees with high humidity). So what were the temperature humidity conditions for the four guys who beat him (pretty solidly, as I recall)?

And if the weather had been better Molly would have beaten Emily to the line?

Not only did you completely missed the point of this thread, but that is not what Rupp was implying at all.

Rupp merely implied that he shouldn't be too hard on himself because he ran (what would have been) an American record just 6 years ago. Along with that, he stated that he ran it in non-ideal conditions... Has nothing to do with the other people in the race.

Even Rupp is content to settle for first white guy. He's settling for the "first white guy ever (American record type run)" whereas many of the top Americans are content to be first white guy in the race even if its 10th place.

Even Rupp is content to settle for first white guy. He's settling for the "first white guy ever (American record type run)" whereas many of the top Americans are content to be first white guy in the race even if its 10th place.

You are completely off base with this comment. Rupp is one of the few white guys in the last twenty years to successfully mix it up with the best Africans. He did just that in the race that he was commenting on -- fifth in the world in what may have been his best "adjusted time" performance ever under bad conditions.

As a fan of his, I would actually like to see him move up to the marathon to see what he could do against the Africans at a longer distance.

Ackley wrote:

As a fan of his, I would actually like to see him move up to the marathon to see what he could do against the Africans at a longer distance.

i have the feeling that the marathon in 2015/16 is deeper than the 10k scene. rupp's guaranteed top 5 in the world turns into....?

Here are the official results for the race:

http://media.aws.iaaf.org/competitiondocuments/pdf/4875/AT-10K-M-f----.RS6.pdf?v=2143182837

Right on the results, it says the temperature was 26 C (79 F) at the start, and humidity was 61%. If you plug that into a standard Humidex calculator:

http://www.ohcow.on.ca/heat_stress_calculator.htm

you get an effective temperature of 32 C (89.6 F).

Of course, effective temperature (Humidex) is not the same as actual temperature. If you want to call Rupp a "liar" because of that... well, that's your decision, I guess.

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