Ok, so Kenya doesn't have great out of competition testing but do any developing countries - what about Ethiopia?

Rojo,

John Ngugi was banned in 1993 for refusing to submit to an out of comp test at his home in Kenya. Multiple Kenyans have failed out of competition tests in Kenya, such as Mathew Kisorio and Rita Jeptoo.

International testers are regularly flown from South Africa to Kenya and Ethiopia to test athletes. They go to camps in Kenya and to the national stadium and athletes' homes in Ethiopia.

There is out of competition testing everywhere. Were places like Kenya and Ethiopia exempt from out of competition testing, the likes of Trevor Graham would have established his base there decades ago.

Left Said Fred wrote:

Rojo,

John Ngugi was banned in 1993 for refusing to submit to an out of comp test at his home in Kenya. Multiple Kenyans have failed out of competition tests in Kenya, such as Mathew Kisorio and Rita Jeptoo.

International testers are regularly flown from South Africa to Kenya and Ethiopia to test athletes. They go to camps in Kenya and to the national stadium and athletes' homes in Ethiopia.

There is out of competition testing everywhere. Were places like Kenya and Ethiopia exempt from out of competition testing, the likes of Trevor Graham would have established his base there decades ago.

Disingenuous. The 'flying testers' are literally always told (in Kenya and Ethiopia) that so-and-so is unavailable, they're in some podunk town with no telephone, no cell access, no reliable roads. This has been going on since Dr. Rosa took his act to Kenya at the start of the EPO era. The E. Africans have been getting away with a lot. But officials let them as well, just as they let certain other third world countries like Cuba. There is some social conditioning and brainwashing going on that most people aren't sharp enough to understand.

I don't believe that you're in a position to know that.

Left Said Fred wrote:

I don't believe that you're in a position to know that.

Kenyan administrators and athletes are calling for additional testing. They acknowledge the deficiency. Why are you trying to smokescreen the situation?

Where is there a smokescreen? What was described above differs greatly from my experience. East Africa's testing problem is primarily that blood testing is not yet possible locally (which is why Kenyans and Ethiopians are targetted for blood sampling when they leave for competitions abroad) and that there are so many topclass athletes that fall outside of the world top 30 and thus aren't subject to out of comp testing. And it's here that most of the doping takes place: Kenyans and Ethiopians most here have never heard of, trained by Turkish or Eastern Bloc coaches or supplemented by nefarious local doctors, they compete in races in Europe and Asia and hardly ever find themselves the testing pool, and thus only need to be clean those few days a year they know they will be tested. They're dirty, two-faced b*stards and it will take a good deal of money to make it difficult for them to continue this career of theivary.

No one speaks Amharik? Tens of millions do.

How about OoC testing in the UK? It's not reported. At all. Anywhere.

Do nados order tests for international elite??? Are you sure?

pop_pop!_v2.1.1 wrote:

How about OoC testing in the UK? It's not reported. At all. Anywhere.

Do nados order tests for international elite??? Are you sure?

Why do I bother? Test. Not test. It doesn't seem to matter. Why does Kenya get a free pass?

There was a good post on another thread maybe two weeks ago. I can't find it searching but it asked the same question about Ethiopia.

the entire third world and so called developing countries, it's open season for PED use.

you can get steroids anywhere and the general moral construct does not see PEDs as cheating.

in the typical gym for example, they take steroids like candy.

ethopia under this description is doing wild and crazy things.

duh.

I would like to know anout ETH testing but I suspect the answer is similar. It's getting to the point that it's rough to be a track fan. If there is no hope of a consistent set of rules, then how can we be confident in any race? Canova seems sincere and maybe most runners are clean. I like to believe that. But even if only 25 percent (arbitrary number) cheat, if there is no hope of catching them, it's hard to watch without some frustration.

If I were a pro athlete, I would demand better from IOC and the federations

EPOpia...

How about the Ethiopians/Kenyans/Russians/Other Africans living in the US or coming over for 3-6 months? Surely they aren't being subjected to OOC testing, EVER, while racing nearly every weekend for prize money in the US. It's a sham-- race directors need to get smarter.

The bigger question is do Ethiopians typically train in far off camps or just around Mt Entoto and/or Addis Ababa? I'd image it's far easier to reach them there.

Either case - third world countries shouldn't be given a pass on this out of competition testing. Sorry - just makes it easier to cheat.

Laramigo wrote:

The bigger question is do Ethiopians typically train in far off camps or just around Mt Entoto and/or Addis Ababa? I'd image it's far easier to reach them there.

Either case - third world countries shouldn't be given a pass on this out of competition testing. Sorry - just makes it easier to cheat.

Kenyans tend train well outside of the capital in places like Iten and Eldoret. All the Ethiopians that are of enough quality to compete abroad live and train in Addis.

rojo,

You don't bother to check WADA's annual report?

https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/wada_2014_anti-doping-testing-figures_full-report_en.pdf

Ethiopia is in "Africa RADO Zone V"

38 tests in athletics, all urine.

How many tests for EPO detection? 4. Urine only. (ESAs)

We don't know if those were for Athletics. It could have been cycling or basketball or badminton.

How many tests did RADO Zone V perform? Zero.

Zone V includes Kenya.

https://www.wada-ama.org/en/regional-anti-doping-organizations-rado

We know the IAAF performed 20 blood tests in all of 2014. That's right, 20. (page 102) or table entitled "ASOIF Sport - Athletics"

Why do you not even bother with basic fact collecting?

No wonder Coe knows nothing.

20 blood tests is not going to catch anyone using EPO-like doping.

In the same report, Kenya athletics performed TWO tests for EPO artifacts in urine for all of 2014.

Strangely, Kenya Athletics reports 52 urine tests neither in or out of competition. I have no idea what that means.

Why do you not even bother with basic fact collecting?

Fact collecting is for liberals.

Left Said Fred wrote:

All the Ethiopians that are of enough quality to compete abroad live and train in Addis.

...and in Sululta, I think.