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Also, do you A. know this B. think this and/or C. wish you had tried
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1- 11 seconds
2- less speed
3- Lower VO2 max.
1. 11 seconds
2. About 70 meters
3. No medal
1-3. genetics
4. coach
5. hard work
6. drugs
Gene Summons wrote:
1- 11 seconds
2- less speed
3- Lower VO2 max.
2 and 3 aren't necessarily true.
1. 11 seconds
2. More optimal/more consistent training
3. Better training environment (D1 scholly vs no coach & day job)
1. 800m training and speed development. The first 800 should feel slow compared to your 800 PR or ability
2. Distance and strength background. The first 800 should not take much out of you aerobically.
3. Experience and execution. The 4:10 miler can race himself towards sub 4 with the help of 1 and 2
I went from 3:52 to 3:42 in one year for 1500m.
I spent years training for the 800 and then added more distance that year.
Every race I worked on a different phase until I out it all together by the end of the season.
toro wrote:
1. 800m training and speed development. The first 800 should feel slow compared to your 800 PR or ability
2. Distance and strength background. The first 800 should not take much out of you aerobically.
3. Experience and execution. The 4:10 miler can race himself towards sub 4 with the help of 1 and 2
I went from 3:52 to 3:42 in one year for 1500m.
I spent years training for the 800 and then added more distance that year.
Every race I worked on a different phase until I out it all together by the end of the season.
Thanks for the input from an actual 4:00 miler. I can see a lot of 4:30 guys couldn't resist but weigh in above.
Good Post wrote:
toro wrote:1. 800m training and speed development. The first 800 should feel slow compared to your 800 PR or ability
2. Distance and strength background. The first 800 should not take much out of you aerobically.
3. Experience and execution. The 4:10 miler can race himself towards sub 4 with the help of 1 and 2
I went from 3:52 to 3:42 in one year for 1500m.
I spent years training for the 800 and then added more distance that year.
Every race I worked on a different phase until I out it all together by the end of the season.
Thanks for the input from an actual 4:00 miler. I can see a lot of 4:30 guys couldn't resist but weigh in above.
I did 3:57
Gene Summons wrote:
I did 3:57
You didn't.
Gene Summons wrote:
1- 11 seconds
2- less speed
3- Lower VO2 max.
Not necessarily. Could be less endurance instead.
Not necessary wrote:
Gene Summons wrote:1- 11 seconds
2- less speed
3- Lower VO2 max.
Not necessarily. Could be less endurance instead.
Could be less speed endurance. Could be less leg speed velocity. Who knows?
toro wrote:
1. 800m training and speed development. The first 800 should feel slow compared to your 800 PR or ability
2. Distance and strength background. The first 800 should not take much out of you aerobically.
3. Experience and execution. The 4:10 miler can race himself towards sub 4 with the help of 1 and 2
I went from 3:52 to 3:42 in one year for 1500m.
I spent years training for the 800 and then added more distance that year.
Every race I worked on a different phase until I out it all together by the end of the season.
Thanks for the insightful post toro. Those last 10 seconds, I've also thought, are the toughest as all the low hanging fruit have more than likely been plucked.
I'm also an 800 type trying to crank out a few fast miles. To echo to a certain degree what you've said, I can't say I've ever stepped to a mile race feeling like I have the necessary endurance (lackluster 3k,5k...) - based on your narrative this was potentially your missing piece as well.
Question: within that season(year?), what did your mileage increase look like (40->80?, 90->100?) and to what, if any, degree did it involve doubles?
Dang bro - this post was mind blowing.
I was a 1:50 800m runner who converted to the 1500/5k/8k, so I trained like the 5K guys on our team thinking that would help me on the 1500. I neglected my speed and strength training and didn't really do any of my old 800m workouts. I ended up at 3:47 for the 1500m, never broke 4:00 for the mile. I always kind of wondered what I did wrong in college.
Desire. Sleep. Consistency. It's more a triangle than a 1st, 2nd, 3rd most important sort of thing.
formerD1 wrote:
Dang bro - this post was mind blowing.
I was a 1:50 800m runner who converted to the 1500/5k/8k, so I trained like the 5K guys on our team thinking that would help me on the 1500. I neglected my speed and strength training and didn't really do any of my old 800m workouts. I ended up at 3:47 for the 1500m, never broke 4:00 for the mile. I always kind of wondered what I did wrong in college.
I'm a freshman in college with a 1:51/4:08 high school PRs. I'm thinking about moving up to 1500/5K training. I was wondering if you could tell me more about your ability in the higher distances. If I'm similar to you, I don't want to make a similar mistake with my training.
Current D1 wrote:
I'm a freshman in college with a 1:51/4:08 high school PRs. I'm thinking about moving up to 1500/5K training. I was wondering if you could tell me more about your ability in the higher distances. If I'm similar to you, I don't want to make a similar mistake with my training.
Well, first off your HS mile PR is better than mine, so you may have more potential at the 1500m and longer than I did. My distance PRs are mediocore.
5k: 14:15
8k: 25:05
My 8K time is absolutely horrendous (my being a heavier runner did not fare well on XC coruses). But then I figure I wasn't going to improve much past maybe 1:48 for the 800m, and in the 1500m maybe if I was lucky I would hit 3:45, so it was basically a lose-lose for me.
Good Post wrote:
Gene Summons wrote:I did 3:57
You didn't.
Did too. Well it was 3:56.99 but I don't like to brag.
Gene Summons wrote:
Good Post wrote:You didn't.
Did too. Well it was 3:56.99 but I don't like to brag.
For 1400m maybe.
Reasons 1-100000: You have to want to break 4 to do it.
You'll put in the work if you want it bad enough.
Mostly genetics but there is an element of good coaching to ensure you are doing the right mix of training and at the right pace. Not just qualitatively but peaking correctly, getting in fast races and also staying healthy. So many guys as they get closer to 4:00 start thinking more is better, overtrain, and get injured.
But the big thing is genetics. Ten seconds doesn't sound like much but it is an eternity in that race and at that speed. If your body isn't built for it with the proper maximum cardiovascular capacity, fast/ slow twitch muscle composition, etc etc, you can train and race perfectly and you'll never break 4:00.