Does anyone know what Molly Seidel's strength program is? Compared to the 10,000m championships last year, she's definitely leaned out and looks very strong. This obviously comes with higher mileage but what is this girl doing????
Does anyone know what Molly Seidel's strength program is? Compared to the 10,000m championships last year, she's definitely leaned out and looks very strong. This obviously comes with higher mileage but what is this girl doing????
That's called running more miles + eating less. If she loses any more weight we'll hear about her on the message boards much more. She's teetering on the line.
Westside wrote:
That's called running more miles + eating less. If she loses any more weight we'll hear about her on the message boards much more. She's teetering on the line.
Saw her in person yesterday from a just a few feet away. She looks perfectly healthy; normal runner build. No need to make claims like this.
Not really wrote:
Saw her in person yesterday from a just a few feet away. She looks perfectly healthy; normal runner build. No need to make claims like this.
Agree. She looks strong, healthy and lean.
That's called looking like an ATHLETE. She's very fit and I've heard she's a very healthy eater. But back to the question, I would also love to know her routine. It would help benefit our xc program up here in Washington.
coahingcoaches wrote:
That's called looking like an ATHLETE. She's very fit and I've heard she's a very healthy eater. But back to the question, I would also love to know her routine. It would help benefit our xc program up here in Washington.
Why not email her coach?
runnerstrengthms wrote:
Does anyone know what Molly Seidel's strength program is? Compared to the 10,000m championships last year, she's definitely leaned out and looks very strong. This obviously comes with higher mileage but what is this girl doing????
As of the 10000m championships last year she already had a great strength base. And I say that not just because she won but because of how she got there.
At the ACC champs in Tallahassee in the second week of May, she was the only one of the top competitors who doubled the 10k/5k on one day's rest in very warm/humid conditions. She got outkicked in the 10k (her first on the track, I think) by Margo Malone but doubled back to win the 5k against a fresh field. You don't do that if you've been cutting corners on your mileage.
At Regionals in Jacksonville two weeks later (even hotter) she won the 10k, beating Malone and everyone else. Her times were nothing special because of the conditions. But she was very ready for NCAA, which was no fluke.
Lets be honest here, the only way she was going to beat Allie O, was to get just as small as Allie O. Smaller=faster=better until it all comes crashing down, for Sidel she timed it perfectly, she will probably graduate before people start asking questions. She did what she needed to do to win a national title and break the FL curse. I hope her win is worth her new found ED. Whats even more sad, what message does this send to most young girls? Most of them are very aware at this point that in distance running, the smaller you are, the better you are, the more praise you get, thus, the rampant ED problem in running. Please if you have a daughter keep her away from sports that reward anorexia, and put her in something like soccer or basketball or something.
runnerstrengthms wrote:
Does anyone know what Molly Seidel's strength program is? Compared to the 10,000m championships last year, she's definitely leaned out and looks very strong. This obviously comes with higher mileage but what is this girl doing????
Concerned Dad wrote:
Lets be honest here, the only way she was going to beat Allie O, was to get just as small as Allie O....
A) Do you have eyes?
B) Do use them much?
C) When god explains things to you about people you've never met, does he appear in the form of a burning bush, as is tradition?
Seidel has a LOT of muscle ... which is not what happens with EDs.
I was going to say the same...she did look a lot thinner. Maybe just more training
The exact opposite is happening in American women's golf. The American girls on the LPGA look like they are having a weight gain contest . On a side note , watching Kerry Underwood on the Sunday Football opening makes me sick.
[quote]Concerned Dad wrote:
Lets be honest here, the only way she was going to beat Allie O, was to get just as small as Allie O. Smaller=faster=better until it all comes crashing down, for Sidel she timed it perfectly, she will probably graduate before people start asking questions. She did what she needed to do to win a national title and break the FL curse. I hope her win is worth her new found ED. Whats even more sad, what message does this send to most young girls? Most of them are very aware at this point that in distance running, the smaller you are, the better you are, the more praise you get, thus, the rampant ED problem in running. Please if you have a daughter keep her away from sports that reward anorexia, and put her in something like soccer or basketball or something.[quote]
Maybe your focus of concern should be Allie O then.
Concerned Dad wrote:
Lets be honest here, the only way she was going to beat Allie O, was to get just as small as Allie O. Smaller=faster=better until it all comes crashing down, for Sidel she timed it perfectly, she will probably graduate before people start asking questions. She did what she needed to do to win a national title and break the FL curse. I hope her win is worth her new found ED. Whats even more sad, what message does this send to most young girls? Most of them are very aware at this point that in distance running, the smaller you are, the better you are, the more praise you get, thus, the rampant ED problem in running. Please if you have a daughter keep her away from sports that reward anorexia, and put her in something like soccer or basketball or something.
Comments like these really annoy me. EDs do not look like anything. Everyone acts like people who are "lean" are fine because they are not skin and bones. I am certain that both Allie and Molly are underweight. The argument that Allie is just small is ridiculous. When I was 14 I looked like her. She has not undergone real puberty. No women looks like that...her body will have to change eventually. Some girls can compete at a low weight without stress fractures and the other issues that come along, and some can't.
I think a lot of men look at the bodies of girls the same way they look at boys...that's just not how things work. At 5'4 and 110 I would look obese next to half these girls. I don't believe that these super lean body types are sustainable. Genzebe Dibaba is a prime example of what real muscle looks like. Shalane Flanagan and Molly Huddle have obviously learned how to straddle that line between as lean as possible and stress-fracture land. Allie and Molly are way under that line. I would hope that they can prove me wrong, but I don't expect it.
Finally, as for the argument that these issues shouldn't be discussed, I completely disagree as someone who struggled with an ED. My coach knocking some sense into me publicly was the only way I got over it. I was mad at the time but now I'm grateful for it.
Not really wrote:
Westside wrote:That's called running more miles + eating less. If she loses any more weight we'll hear about her on the message boards much more. She's teetering on the line.
Saw her in person yesterday from a just a few feet away. She looks perfectly healthy; normal runner build. No need to make claims like this.
Isn't the healthy normal runner build looking like a concentration camp survior?
This isn't the type of thing you can really tell by looking at someone. If she got that look eating a ton and running a ton, it is one thing. It is another thing if she is running a ton and trying to eat 2k calories/day.
And for what it is worth, it is one thing to talk abou eating disorders. It is another thing to make random accusations. And when was the last time Absel Kiprop was accused of having an eating disorder?:)
Allie has a sister, Taylor, who looks quite normal in size. (google Taylor Ostrander). I agree with the statement that "Allie is just small" needs to be questioned. This girl has somehow managed to stave off puberty and has more than likely put her bones at risk for the future.
A teenage female runner who is adequately nourishing her body should go through puberty on time or perhaps with a slight delay. Genetics/family history of course play a role. But the bottom line is if the body is not getting enough calories it is not going to be able to support menstruation and other maturation processes.
As a runner who's struggled with an ED and I'm not nearly as small as them I did not escape the injuries. I've had 2 stress fractures, tendinitis, and strains and it's like a constant cycle even after gaining 15 pounds and eating a lot. I just don't understand how they do it and remain healthy
Do you REALLY think that either of these women can train at high mileage for long periods of time, while still improving, stave off injury---but not eat?
1) Molly has a good amount of lean mass
2) Molly has constantly been improving over the years
3) She does not have constant injuries keeping her out
4) She is able to run high mileage and be race fresh enough to keep PRing
5) Allie has ALWAYS been small, go back a couple seasons to workout wednesday and she is even smaller then
6) Allie ran some crazy mountain race then killed a race for Boise state the next weekend
7) Allie does not seem to have constant injuries either
There is no way with Molly's or Allie's improvement or healthy seasons that they do not eat and have ED's. Yes, they may end up in caloric deficits some days because they run a shit ton, probably eat healthy, and have the genetics to allow low body fat and a small stature. If they feel full and are healthy and running well, then let it be. There is no doubt in my mind that if they gained 5lbs of muscle they would probably be stronger and have a better kick, but that is hard to do when you run 70+ mpw. If their seasons start to go downhill, then maybe you can make an assumption but until their health or performance tells otherwise--you cannot toss accusations around.
terague wrote:
Allie has a sister, Taylor, who looks quite normal in size. (google Taylor Ostrander). I agree with the statement that "Allie is just small" needs to be questioned. This girl has somehow managed to stave off puberty and has more than likely put her bones at risk for the future.
And my brother is 8" taller than me and pretty much finished growing 3 years earlier. Clearly my running postponed my puberty? Well except of course I didn't start running running until an age after he had stopped growing. Siblings differ.
I have no clue what Allie situation is. Maybe she is eating a ton and that is just how she ended up looking. Should she cut her mileage in half to gain weight? There is a huge range of "normal" bodies outthere. Some of those normal bodies just happen to be better at running.
Or of course she could have an eating disorder. It is hard to say.
One of the these three is not like the other, but certainly not the look of someone with an ED.