How shocking... The France attack are caused by a Muslim extremists group

Meanwhile no one is shocked or cares when Muslims are murdered.

Christians have never committed violence? That is news. ... False news.

Blah Blah Blah Blah wrote:

Meanwhile no one is shocked or cares when Muslims are murdered.

Islam cares when Muslims are murdered by US and European foreign invasion militiamen.

If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

Deuteronomy 13:6-10

Religion of Peace? wrote:

If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

Deuteronomy 13:6-10

Um, that's the same god that Muslims worship.

You are very, very sick wrote:

Wait...you're really defending these people??? What is wrong with you? Do you see Christians or Hindus or Buddhists going into crowded areas of Paris with the sole purpose of KILLING PEOPLE? This is done because of their religion. Nothing more- nothing less. Shame on you for defending these people, diverting blame, and attempting to rationalize such a disgusting event.

Today in Paris? No. But in other places on other days? Yes. There's currently a buddhist campaign to exterminate muslims in Myanmar. Extemist Hindu violence against Muslims in India since the partition of India and Pakistan has been well documented, with as many as 10,000 Muslims dying at Hindu hands. Christian terrorists bombed public places in Great Britian and Northern Irleland during the latter half of the 20th Century.

Many of the world's major faiths have been used in the name of violence at one time or another.

You are very, very sick wrote:

Wait...you're really defending these people??? What is wrong with you? Do you see Christians or Hindus or Buddhists going into crowded areas of Paris with the sole purpose of KILLING PEOPLE? This is done because of their religion. Nothing more- nothing less. Shame on you for defending these people, diverting blame, and attempting to rationalize such a disgusting event.

The OPs name. Does that help you? Ever heard of the Christian Crusades--about 3 million killed with invasions made into many Muslim countries in an attempt to take control of "holy" land?

Don't worry. Obama said Isis is contained. Said it this morning . Nothing to worry about. Probably just another internet video causing spontaneous demonstrations.

Now you know how Palestine feels after 70-plus years of attacks by US proxy fascist militia organizations.

Close all of the borders. Now.

Am anxious to see what Marine LePen has to say about this. I would say that her stock in France has just risen enormously.

Augusto E. Perez wrote:

[quote]You are very, very sick wrote:

Christian terrorists bombed public places in Great Britian and Northern Irleland during the latter half of the 20th Century.

The IRA was terrorist, but was not about religion. It was about removing colonial oppressors. Learn a book.

Correct. Also the same as Jews. Therefore, Christians = Jews = Muslims. They're all equivalent. The problem is Religion, not a specifc religion.

Yop Top wrote:

Augusto E. Perez wrote:

[quote]You are very, very sick wrote:

Christian terrorists bombed public places in Great Britian and Northern Irleland during the latter half of the 20th Century.

The IRA was terrorist, but was not about religion. It was about removing colonial oppressors. Learn a book.

Same for PLO, Fatah, Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, and other grasroots freedom-fighting commando organizations.

Religion of Peace? wrote:

Abrah Ham Mick wrote:

Um, that's the same god that Muslims worship.

Correct. Also the same as Jews. Therefore, Christians = Jews = Muslims. They're all equivalent. The problem is Religion, not a specifc religion.

False dichotomy.

Religion is a problem, and some religions are more of a problem than others. For example, Islam is more of a problem than Jainism.

Yes same as freedom fighters like the Irgun and stern gang too I suppose. Hamas by the way wants any non believer out of any of its many lands. Including one coming to a city near you.

Any AH like you who defends this BS with this line of rhetoric is an absolute loser. I really hope you're not old enough to vote, because if you are, I really see the need to revisit the 26th Amendment. The Stupid Cannot Vote!

fact checker wrote:

Religion is a problem, and some religions are more of a problem than others. For example, Islam is more of a problem than Jainism.

This.

The problem is more specifically god-belief than just "religion"; even more specifically, belief in the God of Abraham (shared by Jews/Christians/Muslims); more specifically still, Islam; and more specifically than that, some sects of Islam, and some individual nutbags within those. Don't tar everyone with the same brush.

As someone pointed out above, Jews and Christians are also commanded by their holy book to kill unbelievers; but those religions have matured enough to be hypocritical, and to pick and choose what rules they'll follow. They (mostly) ignore the murderous ones.

Regrettably, *some* (not all, and nothing close to a majority of) Muslims have not reached the same level of religious maturity. They still follow their book literally..."religiously," if you will.

But yeah, the bottom line: without god-belief, this likely wouldn't have happened. Sure, it would be nice if grownups stopped believing in fairy tales, but does anyone seriously think people get to *choose* their beliefs--get to *choose* what they find believable and not believable?

Yop Top wrote:

Augusto E. Perez wrote:

[quote]You are very, very sick wrote:

Christian terrorists bombed public places in Great Britian and Northern Irleland during the latter half of the 20th Century.

The IRA was terrorist, but was not about religion. It was about removing colonial oppressors. Learn a book.

It is incorrect for you to suggest that religion was not crucial to the "us vs. them" mentality rooted in conflicts in Northern Ireland. I will grant that it is not the most explicit example of 20th Century religious violence perpetrated in the name of Christianity.

Religion of Peace? wrote:

If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

Deuteronomy 13:6-10

Listen before I get into this I want to clarify that I am a Christian and that I have a deep respect for those of other religions or world views. I have also studied the bible and other religious scriptures from many other religions, including Islam, since I was in high school all the way through college, which I have now graduated.

The main thing to keep in mind when interrupting this part of scripture is that this was not written in ancient times. It was written in the 7th century BC, or between 700 BC to 601 BC. During this time it is pretty safe to say that the mind set of people was not the same. In fact sentence structure and the way people communicated was also entirely different. So we must keep this in mind when interrupting this scripture. The people who lived in the area that this scripture takes place in are referred to as "the ancients". This does not just mean the Israelites but also a number of other cultures as well, including ancient Egyptian. Like I said earlier, the ancient way of thinking was very different than the way we think and say now. The main difference is mainly in the way they write and tell stories. The ancients used to tell stories and write them down in a very poetic language, which means you can not just interpret it literally.

In ancient times, in what is now the middle east, child sacrifice was a HUGE thing. Almost every culture participated in it. The only culture/people group that did not practice this were the Israelites, who are the main subject of the Old Testament and are the authors of this scripture. Back then all the Israelites practiced Judaism, which Christianity developed from.

To go on a bit of tangent, the fact that Christianity developed from Judaism is evident in the fact that both Jews and Christians use the Old Testament as scripture. Judaism calls the Old Testament "the Torah." Christians also use the New Testament, which is a collection of the teachings of Jesus and his disciples.

Now back on the subject at hand. The Israelites, at the time, were the only religion in the entire world that believed that there was only one God who had sole authority. They also believed the only type of sacrifice that had to be given to this god was that of an animal, not a human and certainly not an infant. This practice of child sacrifice was abhorred by the Israelites and by their God. It was taken so seriously by God in fact that he had very strict punishments for those who practiced this, death. Laws back in ancient times were very strict, and there was a reason for that. It was to help keep the people group alive, because there society was not even completely developed yet. The thinking was that you could not let a person or a group of persons poison the society, so you had to cut that part off.

In this scripture when it talks about other religions it is essentially talking about those who perform child sacrifices. So the scripture, in essence, says that if someone tries to convince you to join a religion that promotes child sacrifice that you should kill them in order to prevent further death and the death you give them should be a stoning, which is form of execution which the community participates in.

Again the main thing is context. Whoever brought this scripture up, I am not personally mad at them. I am a little bit upset that they took the scripture out of context but I do not blame them for that because they would probably have almost no way of knowing that.

Any Questions?