WSJ: How to fix doping for under $100 million

Drugs drugs blah blah blah. rojo you love this stuff because it's click bait. You aren't anti-doping at all. You are the ultimate propagandist aren't you?

rojo wrote:

I liked it and here are the key points.

WSJ wrote:

FIFA has cash reserves of about $1.4 billion.

So? FIFA doesn't have a doping problem, T&F does. The teams of countries where there are no doping controls (Kenya, Ethiopia, etc, never make it to the World Cup) and the dominant teams (Germany, Italy, Spain) have some of the strictest doping controls.

Also, you can't dope to get a great skill set, dribbling and tactics. Soccer isn't a sport that benefits from doping.

So, why should FIFA pay for T&F's problems?

Soccer Guy wrote:

rojo wrote:

I liked it and here are the key points.

So? FIFA doesn't have a doping problem, T&F does. The teams of countries where there are no doping controls (Kenya, Ethiopia, etc, never make it to the World Cup) and the dominant teams (Germany, Italy, Spain) have some of the strictest doping controls.

Also, you can't dope to get a great skill set, dribbling and tactics. Soccer isn't a sport that benefits from doping.

So, why should FIFA pay for T&F's problems?

HaHaHa. You are so in denial. It was said for many years that baseball players did not benefit from steroids. It was said that tennis players would not benefit from PEDS. Of course soccer players would benefit from doping.

I agree that doping isn't going to help your skills and tactics, but if you have been following top flight soccer for more than a few years, you have seen a tremendous change in the emphasis on speed and fitness over the years. I doubt soccer has the problems that cycling, T&F, and american football have, but soccer is certainly a sport where one would benefit from doping.

Arsene Wenger claims that soocer has a widespread doping problem.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/11987053/Arsenal-news-Arsene-Wenger-claims-football-has-widespread-doping-problem.html

"Researchers analysing 4,195 urine samples from 879 footballers, mainly those playing in the Champions League and Europa League, saw 7.7 per cent return high levels of the hormone. Uefa, though, insisted that no definitive conclusions could be drawn from the study, which was first published in the medical magazine Drugs Testing and Analysis in September, while no player faces sanctions because the samples were provided anonymously."

So how do drugs help your running skills?

Y'all do know that running is a skill don't you?

I would dissolve USADA.

Then enact federal laws which assign PED testing, enforcement, prosecution/defense to the FBI and Federal Courts.

USATF, all USOC sports, all NCAA sports, MLB, NBA, NHL, NFL, would be covered.

Since Running, Track, and Field are participation sports with 99% affiliated ticket payers, a tax of $5 would be collected for each athlete entry and seat/ticket sold.

Inconsistency in the enforcement of PEDs rules is certainly a problem for Professional Track & Field, but it's only of the many problems confronting the sport, and I don't think solving that one problem would make a lot of difference.

I think the sport needs an athletes organization along the lines of the ATP in tennis. I hope the day will come when high profiles athletes like Bolt and Farah and powerful agents like Ricky Simms develop an interest in forming such an organization.

Until such an athletes organization is formed, I think attempts to reform Professional Track & Field will amount to spitting in the ocean. [I was going to stay "rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic", but I don't actually think Pro T&F

is on the verge of sinking - I just think it will continue shrinking so long as its basic structure remains the same.]

Soccer Guy wrote:

So? FIFA doesn't have a doping problem, T&F does. The teams of countries where there are no doping controls (Kenya, Ethiopia, etc, never make it to the World Cup) and the dominant teams (Germany, Italy, Spain) have some of the strictest doping controls.

Also, you can't dope to get a great skill set, dribbling and tactics. Soccer isn't a sport that benefits from doping.

So, why should FIFA pay for T&F's problems?

1) You are fooling yourself if you don't think there are major drugs in soccer.

The "you can't dope to get a great skill set, dribbling and tactics" is the same argument they used to use in baseball, "Drugs don't help with hand eye coordination." Yeah, drugs didn't help Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa, any of those guys.

You don't think being fitter, faster and stronger is a huge advantage in soccer? Of course it is.

I had a guy tell me the other day he thought Jerry Rice in the NFL was on drugs. When lots of money is involved, everyone is suspect.

2) I'm not convinced they need Fifa to pay for it although $100 million a year would be a lot for the IOC. Does anyone know there yearly revnenues? I do think the MLBs and NFLs of the world should 100% be mandated by congress to be part of WADA. If you receive government subsidies for your stadium, then you join WADA and let's make them tough.

rojo wrote:

You don't think being fitter, faster and stronger is a huge advantage in soccer?

Not necessarily. The greatest soccer player of our times, Lionel Messi, does not look particularly "fit" and "strong" to me. He is also not really fast, he's just really good at dribbling and has this thing called intuition - anticipation of the next move.

Seriously, here's a picture of him without a shirt:

Dissolve USADA wrote:

I would dissolve USADA.

Then enact federal laws which assign PED testing, enforcement, prosecution/defense to the FBI and Federal Courts.

USATF, all USOC sports, all NCAA sports, MLB, NBA, NHL, NFL, would be covered.

Since Running, Track, and Field are participation sports with 99% affiliated ticket payers, a tax of $5 would be collected for each athlete entry and seat/ticket sold.

You have to be kidding me if you think the government should handle doping. What makes you think they will handle it fairly?

You do know Messi used HGH ?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1492546-lionel-messi-and-hgh-the-truth-about-the-best-footballer-in-the-world

Soccer Guy wrote:

Seriously, here's a picture of him without a shirt:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MV2Ug-3PI3g/URFm52ezIQI/AAAAAAAAS_g/jpLhNTtqc2M/s1600/1341676256008.jpg

XFitGuy would probably say he needs to bulk up to pull the girl next to him. But I think he's got that under control ;-)

Soccer Guy wrote:

So? FIFA doesn't have a doping problem,

Haha! How much is FIFA paying Internet Community Coordinators in 2015?

The only reason FIFA doesn't have a doping problem is that absolutely every politician outside of the U.S. knows they will not get reelected "running against FIFA."

Someone should ask Fuentes about Spanish Football and how many players he "assists."

iwidkss wrote:

Dissolve USADA wrote:

I would dissolve USADA.

Then enact federal laws which assign PED testing, enforcement, prosecution/defense to the FBI and Federal Courts.

USATF, all USOC sports, all NCAA sports, MLB, NBA, NHL, NFL, would be covered.

Since Running, Track, and Field are participation sports with 99% affiliated ticket payers, a tax of $5 would be collected for each athlete entry and seat/ticket sold.

You have to be kidding me if you think the government should handle doping. What makes you think they will handle it fairly?

Are you kidding? The IOC spends a great deal of time and effort keeping doping/athletics out of criminal justice systems worldwide. In the U.S. the NCAA/PGA/NBA/NFL does the same. There's a reason for that.

If sanctioning athletes was possible as a criminal offense and law enforcement had access to all tests, it would be shooting fish in a barrel.

eurodonkey wrote:

Soccer Guy wrote:

Seriously, here's a picture of him without a shirt:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MV2Ug-3PI3g/URFm52ezIQI/AAAAAAAAS_g/jpLhNTtqc2M/s1600/1341676256008.jpg

XFitGuy would probably say he needs to bulk up to pull the girl next to him. But I think he's got that under control ;-)

Not gonna lie. She is HAWT. But lets be real here. Christiano Ronaldo could take her away from him if he wanted to. He is also a lot more BUFF/RIPPED due to his CrossFit style extra work he puts in in the weight room.

Anyway, at the end of the day that chick's with Messi because he makes a sh|tload of money and not because of his PHYSIQUE or the lack thereof.

Regarding doping discussions - They may or may not help but at the end of the day you still have to go to the weight room. CrossFit does not allow doping and I am proud to say that my box is 100% committed to clean sports. Can't say the same about Track and Field. No surprise no one watches it anymore.

Mr. Obvious wrote:

HaHaHa. You are so in denial. It was said for many years that baseball players did not benefit from steroids. It was said that tennis players would not benefit from PEDS. Of course soccer players would benefit from doping.

Wow and they were right.

That's amazing.

somebody has to ask wrote:

So how do drugs help your running skills?

Y'all do know that running is a skill don't you?

We aren't interested in facts like that.

XFIT BRO THE REAL ONE 1 wrote:

Christiano Ronaldo could take her away from him if he wanted to. He is also a lot more BUFF/RIPPED due to his CrossFit style extra work he puts in in the weight room.

I don't think that's true - Barca would allow Ronaldo to go to a Crossfit gym - to high risk of injury.

I'm pretty sure doping is already fixed.