Liverpool knocks FM Boys out of State Championship

FM saving it for NXN?

May be. They've been careful with Ryan for injury purposes. But they've been pretty uneven all season, too. Could well be pointing towards a big effort at NXN-NY, which should be a really interesting race among Liverpool, FM, East Aurora, and St. Anthony's.

Their girls, on the other hand, had no such difficulty...

You can straight-up lose a race and still have a faster 5man average. Does not tell you much.

plus the whole "two state meet" problem in NY -

New York City gets to send four awful xc teams to the 'other' state meet every year - I wish NY would get its act together - it's a major running power and it is so poorly organized.

dfadsfasdfds wrote:

You can straight-up lose a race and still have a faster 5man average. Does not tell you much.

Sure. But 11 seconds is a big margin. Liverpool had significant time-gaps for the #1, #3, and #4 runners.

Looking at the race reports, it seems FM had a couple guys go out too hard and blow up in the last mile. Should be a closer race at NXN-NY.

will fm run feds?

rust wrote:

will fm run feds?

Nope. They haven't for a while. The FM boys definitely did not have a good overall team performance yesterday, since Brian Gehrer and their tiny fifth man(he's really small for a soph) did not have very good races. I expect them to be third to Liverpool and EA at regionals and get a wildcard to Naties.

rust wrote:

will fm run feds?

No idea. The last time their guys ran Feds coincides with the last time they didn't qualify for the State Meet. That was also the first year of the NXN (team only) qualifier race... which they didn't enter.

dfadsfasdfds wrote:

You can straight-up lose a race and still have a faster 5man average. Does not tell you much.

Actually, it does. F'tard.

Eva N wrote:

May be. They've been careful with Ryan for injury purposes. But they've been pretty uneven all season, too. Could well be pointing towards a big effort at NXN-NY, which should be a really interesting race among Liverpool, FM, East Aurora, and St. Anthony's.

St. Anthony's is going to have a ton of trouble qualifying without a 4 or 5 guy. Glad they're not getting run into the ground like they were last year though, they raced almost every weekend from September until May. I don't think NY is going to get an at large this year, very weak region.

Aris4Prez wrote:

St. Anthony's is going to have a ton of trouble qualifying without a 4 or 5 guy. Glad they're not getting run into the ground like they were last year though, they raced almost every weekend from September until May. I don't think NY is going to get an at large this year, very weak region.

Wont be best region like last year (1,4,8)

expect to see 3 teams in top 20

not going to be surprised if Fm finishes 5-9 with EA/pool 10-15

very weak region?.....Not by a long shot.

Aris4Prez wrote:

St. Anthony's is going to have a ton of trouble qualifying without a 4 or 5 guy. Glad they're not getting run into the ground like they were last year though, they raced almost every weekend from September until May. I don't think NY is going to get an at large this year, very weak region.

Yeah, agree. I keep expecting Langer to have a break-out race based on where he was last season, but at this point it probably isn't happening.

The NY Region IS very weak this season, especially compared to the last few years. FM or Liverpool could get a "name recognition" at-large with a 3rd place finish at regionals, maybe. The whole country seems to be down team-wise for the boys this year, though.

What about Saint Anthony's top 3? Very possible to have all 3 in top 10 at NXR, and they always seem to come up with a solid 4 and 5 when it matters

Agreed. St Ants top three cant be cut out of the picture. if they do get to nxn, having those 3 high up can be huge in the team scoring, even with mediocre performances from the 4-5

The NYC league is not awful. The CHSAA does combine the Long Island schools. Currently, the top 4 have been consistent all year. With St Anthony's, Xavier and Fordham Prep in the top 10 of NYS most of the season and St. John the Baptist in the top 20 does not mean it's trash. They deserve Feds. We should look at a team like the guys from Sachem East. Yes they won the section but they are irrelevant and would be lucky to be #4 or #5 in the CHSAA. That's all. Have a great day pal

The "state" meet in NY is organized by section (geography), divided by school size, and is for public schools only. The Federation meet is the real state championship : one big race for everybody. I can see the argument that there's too much racing in the championship season, but it's too bad the Federation meet is the one getting skipped by some schools in favor of NXN qualifying. Why can't NXN use the Federation meet as their selection meet? It's even on the same freaking course!

But since it's a championship meet wouldn't you say those 4 teams deserve to be there? With 3 in top 10 and one in the top 20?

Eva N wrote:

Yeah, agree. I keep expecting Langer to have a break-out race based on where he was last season, but at this point it probably isn't happening.

The NY Region IS very weak this season, especially compared to the last few years. FM or Liverpool could get a "name recognition" at-large with a 3rd place finish at regionals, maybe. The whole country seems to be down team-wise for the boys this year, though.

respectively disagree on the "very weak"

NYS has 3 rated in top 15 (milesplit) and i think other rankign systems, dyestat, tullyrunners stats, etc.

top 15 should have strong at large consideration for a 22 team field.

by definition of discussion of regions, they get to compete against each other when at larges are chosen...so by definition weak regions do not get at large.

now if you are defining weak or not by podium chances, then yeah, NYS doesn't look like they have high end shot this year.

(although fm has surprised a few times in past)