Does running with slower people hinder training at all?

dsaiodjsaiojdsaoajs wrote:

So my 5k pr is 16:23 but usually I get 16:35 on average. This is on a course with about 6-7 decent hills. Anyway, I was wondering if this will have any effect on my training if I run with high 17 and low 18 guys because that's the rest of Varsity. Yeah, I know my team isn't great but whatever. They run their training runs about 7:30 pace and this is pretty slow for me. When I run alone I do about 6:40 and that feels pretty comfortable. Will this hinder my race times? Am I not training to full potential?

You don't notice each tree per se (2, 4, 5, etc.), but you keep with the group just to be with them. You can see them way ahead of you, and you're struggling to keep up, meanwhile your watch is telling you that you are going like 7:30 minute mile pace.

dsaiodjsaiojdsaoajs wrote:

So my 5k pr is 16:23 but usually I get 16:35 on average. This is on a course with about 6-7 decent hills. Anyway, I was wondering if this will have any effect on my training if I run with high 17 and low 18 guys because that's the rest of Varsity. Yeah, I know my team isn't great but whatever. They run their training runs about 7:30 pace and this is pretty slow for me. When I run alone I do about 6:40 and that feels pretty comfortable. Will this hinder my race times? Am I not training to full potential?

Training with slower people on some days is a great way to make sure your easy days stay easy.

Training with slower teammates on some days is a great day to help lift your team, and encourage them to get faster.

fred wrote:

You don't notice each tree per se (2, 4, 5, etc.), but you keep with the group just to be with them. You can see them way ahead of you, and you're struggling to keep up, meanwhile your watch is telling you that you are going like 7:30 minute mile pace.

Give him a t-shirt. POD.

Barry Magee told me once that successful runners should do about 80% ofthon their running alone. Otherwise you're likely running wither too fast or too slow. On the other hand, when Lydiard's guys were at their peaks they did lots of training, especially the long run each week, with Arthur. At the time he'd have been in his forties with a 2:38 best marathon and they did OK.

Well if you had a group of 15:30-16:00 guys you'd be better.

But it's not hindering you, it's your situation.

Awesome wrote:

fred wrote:

You don't notice each tree per se (2, 4, 5, etc.), but you keep with the group just to be with them. You can see them way ahead of you, and you're struggling to keep up, meanwhile your watch is telling you that you are going like 7:30 minute mile pace.

Give him a t-shirt. POD.

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6:40 daily pace should be getting you a little faster than 16's

Or he is running way too fast for his "easy" days

yes. this. wrote:

Awesome wrote:

Give him a t-shirt. POD.

+1

I'd like to be in on this. I don't get it - what am I missing?

Both you and your club mates are running too hard on your easy run days. This is probably why your whole team isn't great.

Have you tried yelling at them (obscenities)? Don't settle for your teammates taking the easy way out. Make them better. You, being a national class talent, owe it to your teammates to make them better. Just Yell Baby! That'll fix everything.

You're welcome.

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I always had issues running too fast on my easy days. I would go out of my way to run with slower people on my easy days whenever I could. I was a

Got cutoff, don't use the less than symbol, I guess the board doesn't like it.

Anyway, I was a less than 15min 5k guy on the roads. Would run with 17min plus 5k people all the time. I always felt better for workouts the day after running very slowly with the group. Plus, since I was so much faster than everyone else nobody would push the pace on the runs, so the 17min types got good recovery as well, rather than hammering each other.

When running with your teammates, either a) continue on for another 2 miles or so when they finish so that you're getting more mileage or b) use those days as easy days or c) do some sprints and fast strides after finishing with them

Be a good teammate and run with the team. It inspires them to be like "man we run with this 1620-1630s guy everyday in training, maybe we can get fast like him."

Also, it allows you to take your easy days easy so you keep the hard days hard and not burn out by allowing yourself to get the correct amount of recovery on your easy days.

bekele only every trained with slower people and then beat everyone

yes. this. wrote:

Awesome wrote:

Give him a t-shirt. POD.

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hilarious.

I ran 6:45-7:00 per mile when I was a 17 flat runner. I progressed down to running 16:30s. I tried to increase my mileage the next year but found that I couldn't get above 45mpw without getting fatigued or hurt, so I resolved to slow my easy runs down as much as I needed to to recover and feel okay.

I started running 7:30-8:30 per mile for my easy runs while running 50-55mpw. However, I started focusing a lot on running hard on workout days and I got down to 16:09 that season.

So I think it is best to run really easy on easy days and running hard on workout days. That means for you, running with the team on most days, but running solo on workout days