Why didn't Edward Cheserek break 4 in the mile when he clearly could have?
Why didn't Edward Cheserek break 4 in the mile when he clearly could have?
His coach asked him to back off by 4-5 seconds so that the myth that we was under 23 years old as a senior could retain at least a sliver of credibility. He could have run 13:15-13:20 as a senior.
I think part of the reason was that he was very team oriented and often ran relays instead of, or in addition to, individual events.
Random question wrote:
Why didn't Edward Cheserek break 4 in the mile when he clearly could have?
1) Cheserek was very team-oriented in HS, and very frequently gave enormous efforts during relays and the like.
2) Cheserek had no clue as to how to properly pace himself during a race in high school.
If you recall, he often opened up 1600m races with illogical opening splits in the low 50s (52-53). There were jokes at the time that nobody would break 4 minutes in the Dream Mile because the entire field would get pulled out too fast by Cheserek.
Seyta wrote:
[quote]Random question wrote:
If you recall, he often opened up 1600m races with illogical opening splits in the low 50s (52-53). There were jokes at the time that nobody would break 4 minutes in the Dream Mile because the entire field would get pulled out too fast by Cheserek.
The bigger question here is "what does Seyta think 'illogical' means".
Random question wrote:
Why didn't Edward Cheserek break 4 in the mile when he clearly could have?
Well, we all lose speed as we age. There has only been one (the old Irish dude) guy over 40 that has broken 4 in the mile. Cheese is a great runner but running a sub 4 at his age is a tall order.
Seyta wrote:
Random question wrote:Why didn't Edward Cheserek break 4 in the mile when he clearly could have?
1) Cheserek was very team-oriented in HS, and very frequently gave enormous efforts during relays and the like.
2) Cheserek had no clue as to how to properly pace himself during a race in high school.
If you recall, he often opened up 1600m races with illogical opening splits in the low 50s (52-53). There were jokes at the time that nobody would break 4 minutes in the Dream Mile because the entire field would get pulled out too fast by Cheserek.
No he wasn't. He didn't even race a normal HS schedule in XC, indoor or outdoor. He was ineligible for most of one XC season (when he was 21) because his grades were so bad that he had to get them up.
Unless you consider a schedule like Verzbicas the norm (and frankly for the SUPER-hs-ers of recent years that is the norm) Cheserek did not run the 12-15 meets in XC, 6-12 indoor meets, and 20-25 outdoor races that a normal sub-4:10 and sub-9:00 runner runs.
Cal State Eugene FTW!!! wrote:
Random question wrote:Why didn't Edward Cheserek break 4 in the mile when he clearly could have?
Well, we all lose speed as we age. There has only been one (the old Irish dude) guy over 40 that has broken 4 in the mile. Cheese is a great runner but running a sub 4 at his age is a tall order.
There has only been one outdoors and it is not Coghlan.
3502 3:58.79 Anthony Whiteman GBR 13.11.71 1 Nashville 02.06.2012
Did gramps ches finish high school in Kenya before he went to high school again in New Jersey? What was he up to for that decade between 18 and 28?
Based on an interview he gave, I recall him saying his workload was held back in high school. His max mpw in high school was around 50. He made a big jump in mileage as a freshman at Oregon going up to 80. As fast as he was, it appears that his coaches probably wanted to save him for college.
My hunch is that the high school runners that go sub-4:00 had a high training volume and intensity, like Webb and Ryun. Can't say what Liquori did. Even if Verbicas never had a high running volume, he had a real high amount of swimming and biking training.
grampa wrote:
Did gramps ches finish high school in Kenya before he went to high school again in New Jersey? What was he up to for that decade between 18 and 28?
You really think Chez is 10 years older than he says he is?
When Chez is 31 and running sub 13 in the 5k, and you think he's 41 you're going to be kidding yourself