"75% of college-age men use PEDs"???

yes.

Your friend is an idiot and you're a gullible fool. You make a great team.

Nope

75% is an overestimate. But, there is definitely an uptick in your typical bro gym goers using Test at least in my anecdotal experience. The internet and various message boards have done a lot to legitimize Test usage. A huge number of college kids are also taking speed (adderral), which is a pretty serious performance enhancer as well. Compared to what was available a generation ago even the high quality multi-vitamin and amino acid supplements are borderline performance enhancing.

Revolt against Registration!! wrote:

75% is an overestimate. But, there is definitely an uptick in your typical bro gym goers using Test at least in my anecdotal experience. The internet and various message boards have done a lot to legitimize Test usage. A huge number of college kids are also taking speed (adderral), which is a pretty serious performance enhancer as well. Compared to what was available a generation ago even the high quality multi-vitamin and amino acid supplements are borderline performance enhancing.

Did you just call adderrall speed?!?!? Speed is meth. Adderral is just an awesome drug that isnt bad for you that helps you do homework and is fun to take before going out sometimes. Meth is for crack heads

just slightly older wrote:

We were talking about 75% of what you could call "real men" like guys who play sports and get laid, not your pencilneck dweeb types who obviously don't count.

Why doesn't the entire population count? The guy's claim was that 75% of college age men take PEDs. All college age men are part of the population under discussion.

I was a college athlete in California from 2010-2013. I would say that 99% of the athletes used PEDs.

good old dayzzz wrote:

I was a college athlete in California from 2010-2013. I would say that 99% of the athletes used PEDs.

Irrelevant, as athletes are obviously more likely to use PEDs than the general population of "college-age men."

drugs wrote:

Revolt against Registration!! wrote:

75% is an overestimate. But, there is definitely an uptick in your typical bro gym goers using Test at least in my anecdotal experience. The internet and various message boards have done a lot to legitimize Test usage. A huge number of college kids are also taking speed (adderral), which is a pretty serious performance enhancer as well. Compared to what was available a generation ago even the high quality multi-vitamin and amino acid supplements are borderline performance enhancing.

Did you just call adderrall speed?!?!? Speed is meth. Adderral is just an awesome drug that isnt bad for you that helps you do homework and is fun to take before going out sometimes. Meth is for crack heads

I'm pretty sure you're trolling, but here ya go:

just slightly older wrote:

So I am in my late 20s and work out at a university gym because it's near my place.

I was talking to a younger guy, like maybe 20, about supplements and he said he keeps it natural, just protein/AAs and nothing else. He made it sound like it was special so I asked if a lot of guys in college now are using other stuff. He said yeah most, and when I pushed him he guessed 75%! I asked what drugs and he said just straight T is easy to get, mostly in gels but also pills, which I found weird.

Is this true? We were talking about 75% of what you could call "real men" like guys who play sports and get laid, not your pencilneck dweeb types who obviously don't count.

100% of elite athletes use PEDs

Here's a good piece by David Epstein on doping culture outside of elite athletic circles.

http://www.propublica.org/article/raids-steroid-labs-suggest-market-for-steroids-beyond-elite-athletes

My subjective experience just listening to college kids at my university gym suggests that use is high (though 75% seems too high). They talk about use openly, both males and females (though predominantly males) and use it mostly for aesthetic purposes rather than performance. I overheard a kid who was clearly on the school's soccer team saying to two men and one woman that he was waiting to start taking steroids until after college because the risk wasn't worth it due to possible NCAA action if he got caught; he was talking about using after college to bulk up and cut bodyfat and to try his hand at male modeling (his brother did it and has gotten a few contracts). It's amazing to me how personal and open of details kids will talk about loudly in a public setting...

you're way off. 100% of college-age PED users are using PEDs.

90% of gym-rats are morons. The other half are idiots.

I ran DI track in California from 2004-2007 and to my knowledge no one was on PEDs (some, obviously the top-tier guys, we're tested quite a bit, especially as we had a former HS state champ on the team whom everyone thought was doping in HS). Only time PEDs came up was when discussing Liu Xiang's 110HH WR.

But I have no idea what was going on in gyms.

why don't they count? wrote:

just slightly older wrote:

We were talking about 75% of what you could call "real men" like guys who play sports and get laid, not your pencilneck dweeb types who obviously don't count.

Why doesn't the entire population count? The guy's claim was that 75% of college age men take PEDs. All college age men are part of the population under discussion.

men is the key word there you Nancy boy.

jjjjjj wrote:

you're way off. 100% of college-age PED users are using PEDs.

Interestingly enough, at least in Australia, the big drug busts of bikie gangs and other criminal elements invariably pick up huge amounts of steroids and hgh etc, as well as the usual firearms and street drugs. It must be incredibly easy to access these things.

Yogi Berra wrote:

90% of gym-rats are morons. The other half are idiots.

I like spending some time in the gym during the winter maybe that makes me a hobby rat.

But reading your post confused me, if 90% are morons wouldn't that only leave room for 10% to be idiots? ?? Not half.

O that's right your dead now.

Lydiard is God wrote:

jjjjjj wrote:

you're way off. 100% of college-age PED users are using PEDs.

Interestingly enough, at least in Australia, the big drug busts of bikie gangs and other criminal elements invariably pick up huge amounts of steroids and hgh etc, as well as the usual firearms and street drugs. It must be incredibly easy to access these things.

The steroids are to make bikers bigger & meaner. 90% of Hollywood action "stars" are on steroids.

A lot of college frat boy jocks take amino acid supplements & protein powders.....a lot.

Revolt against Registration!! wrote:

75% is an overestimate. But, there is definitely an uptick in your typical bro gym goers using Test at least in my anecdotal experience. The internet and various message boards have done a lot to legitimize Test usage.

This. There is the prevailing notion that any serious lifter is using PED's so it's not taboo in gym circles. It's the legitimizing thought of everybody else is doing it so it must be okay. It's also people being lazy and not wanting to put as much time and effort into getting the results.