3:28
12:53
26:46
59:21
2:08+
Welcome are comments about other runners that have similarly amazing range. Even if they don't match the criteria in title.
Please refrain from NOP DOPE SALAZAR DRUGS KHAT etc comments. I'm fully aware. Thanks.
3:28
12:53
26:46
59:21
2:08+
Welcome are comments about other runners that have similarly amazing range. Even if they don't match the criteria in title.
Please refrain from NOP DOPE SALAZAR DRUGS KHAT etc comments. I'm fully aware. Thanks.
I'm not sure.
Nah he's the only 1500m specialist to move up and focus on long distance for the easy medals while still in his prime. Hard to say if it's "talent," or just a phenomenon of the times.
Hell of an accomplishment.
His 1500 is a few seconds slower, but I'd say he is far more accomplished (Time-wise) across the same range.
http://www.iaaf.org/athletes/ethiopia/haile-gebrselassie-8774
Geb´s 1500i PB is only 0,58s slower than the indoor WR. You can be pretty sure that he had the ability to run a lot faster outdoors.
Old D2 Guy wrote:
His 1500 is a few seconds slower, but I'd say he is far more accomplished (Time-wise) across the same range.
http://www.iaaf.org/athletes/ethiopia/haile-gebrselassie-8774
time-wise, medals-wise, championship-wise, Olympics-wise, personality-wise, records-wise, and also less-frequently-accused-of-doping-wise.
Haile = GOAT.
Agreed, end of story. Can we now shut down every ridiculous thread on GOAT's.
98 times someone has gone sub-27 (by 53 individuals)
98 times someone has gone sub-3:30 (by 31 individuals)
That's pretty cool, even though the 1500m is probably run 10x as often. I'd say the sub-27 is easier in that sense. Probably Lagat or El G could have accomplished it on a whim if they had wanted to.
The 99th fastest 800m is 1:43.01 (35 individuals)
The 99th fastest 5000m is 12:54.70 (46 indivduals)
92 people have broken 13:00. Among them, 32 (34.8%) have broken 27:00
Of the 31 people who have broken 3:30, 9 (29%) have gone sub-13:00.
31 people have run faster than Farah at 5000m. Of those, 12 (38.7%) have broken 27:00.
Currently Farah ranks 9th in the 1500m, 32nd in the 5000m, and 16th in the 10000m.
igf-1 lr3 is something other athletes didnt have
before farah . hence speed is missing .as was new monaco track.
and conversely dont have a freeforall on other dope like previous
Lenny Leonard wrote:
98 times someone has gone sub-27 (by 53 individuals)
98 times someone has gone sub-3:30 (by 31 individuals).
How about the percentage of people that have even TRIED to run a 10k never mind a sub 27 one. Likewise with 10k runners, how many have even TRIED to run a 1500 never mind a fast one? It's a skewed stat because most people stick to their primary event even if they could do well at other events.
Lenny Leonard wrote:
Currently Farah ranks 9th in the 1500m, 32nd in the 5000m, and 16th in the 10000m.
That's the crux of it. Despite all of his medals he has never been close to number 1 at any frequently run distance.
I think Geb actually holding the WR at both 5k and marathon in his career is a far more impressive accomplishment.
Odhrh wrote:How about the percentage of people that have even TRIED to run a 10k never mind a sub 27 one. Likewise with 10k runners, how many have even TRIED to run a 1500 never mind a fast one? It's a skewed stat because most people stick to their primary event even if they could do well at other events
canova has confirmed my belief that most 27-flat guys have 52 - 55 open, fully rested speed
most being in mid-slow end of 52 - 55
for a guy with absolute flat-out 27'00
27'00 with
55.0 ->
1'54.3
3'41.4
7'38.6
13'03.7
54.0 ->
1'52.7
3'39.2
7'35.7
13'01.0
53.0 ->
1'51.1
3'37.0
7'32.9
12'58.3
52.0 ->
1'49.6
3'34.8
7'30.1
12'55.6
very, very, very few 27-flat guys if they ran an ideal 1500 in 27-flat shape woud break 3'35
mo is just a helluva runner...
Mo is a helluva a runner, and he became that way in his late 20s. The hallmarks of a cheater. Anybody with the ability he shows, if it were natural, would have been able to run 3:32 by age 25.
Komen ran 3:29 and could have easily ran sub 27 when in 12:39 shape.
4B-50 wrote:
Lenny Leonard wrote:Currently Farah ranks 9th in the 1500m, 32nd in the 5000m, and 16th in the 10000m.
That's the crux of it. Despite all of his medals he has never been close to number 1 at any frequently run distance.
And how many of those guys ahead of him in the time rankingshave won Gold medals?
Medals >>> Times
Boasting about 7 straight gold medals, including the triple double or boasting about fast times you ran in Brussels or Rieti once upon a time.
I know which one stays in the history books.
While I agree guys like El G and Geb were more impressive, you guys are missing the point of the question. The question was not, "Who COULD HAVE run sub 3:30 and sub 27:00," it was who has actually done it. Has anyone else actually done it? I can't think of anyone. The list of people who could have should probably include every sub 3:30 guy who ever ran sub 13:20 at 5000m, but that's not the point of the question.
that is wrong :
his 3'29 wasn't much of a race iirc but he crushed niyonbongo
his 3'46 mile was outrageous !!!
in a criminally large field, where got baulked twice at start, he took near right turn to get into lane 3 to make a ridiculous sprint to pole behind pacer
he ran about ~ 15++ extra wide on bends in whole race
he then paced hicham most of way & getting little drafting from pacer ahead, giving hicham easy ride & even came back at him on home-stretch when the exertions of initial 300 musta already killed him !!!
komen still finished with 54.3 last lap after all the crushing handicaps in intial 300m / extra distance !!!
komen was in 3'43+ shape that day at worst in an ideal, route-1 race, smoothly paced to bell & no hicham there to parasite off him
that = 3'26+
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNJvjal6FbYthat is not even a statement worth bothering with
his '97 shape was much more speed orientated
he ran 12'39 when likely primarly training for 1500
his absolute peak was '98i when likely combined speed/endurance, he probably was in something like 3'26+ / 7'16+ / 12'32/12'33 shape outdoors
sadly, this form was finished by outdoors
there are no vids of this online & i missed it at time as not usually expecting much in january/feb & he only had this shape for coupla weeks
the komen '98i shape was by far the best middle/distance shape ever seen
from hicham's coach :
http://tinyurl.com/nbbqdvmIrony!
Ignoring the fact that Mo has never faced any allegations by a journalist, coach or athlete, could you please provide us with a link to the scientific research that proves that it's impossible for a long distance runner to improve in their late 20s (the peak years for most athletes) and that the cut off point is the age of 25.
I look forward to you providing the link.
such accolades wrote:
Nah he's the only 1500m specialist to move up and focus on long distance for the easy medals while still in his prime.
We've been thru this
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&thread=5302291&id=5302709#5302709Renato Canova wrote:
Don't think the real value of Mo is 12'53". He ran already 12'57" in 2010, when we worked together for some month in Iten, in Zurich, and now is very much stronger, after going to Salazar. To think can run near 12'40" is something reasonable, such as the possibility of running under 26'30" in 10000m.