Was Steve Magness Wrong?

No. Just like everything else, corruption rules the day.

Magness was just way over his head at NOP, and then let his imagination get the best of him.

Man Overboard wrote:

Magness was just way over his head at NOP, and then let his imagination get the best of him.

Except he had physical evidence.

And others' accounts describe behavior from sleezy that is consistent with what magness said.

And even sleezy admitted to breaking WADA rules, i.e., testing testosterone cream on his son.

He didn't have “physical evidence" of anything but that one girl.

WADA or USADA has NOT cleared Salazar.

This was simply a UK athletics "investigation" into the relationship between UKA and salazar. No drugs were looked at.

Man Overboard wrote:

He didn't have “physical evidence" of anything but that one girl.

That one girl was not a girl, she was a woman.

Further, he had a photo showing Rupp had started taking testosterone as a teenager.

Keep on spinning.

I think Magness was right but he didn't have everything he needed, which is expected when you take on a group like the Oregon Project.

It's like my man Omar said, "you come at the king, you best not miss". You have one shot in a situation like that and if it doesn't kill the beast, the beast wins.

Which far exceeds your "physical evidence" with is limited entirely to yourself.

Man Overboard wrote:

He didn't have “physical evidence" of anything but that one girl.

Cowl wrote:

Was Steve Magness wrong about Salazar and NOP?

Looks like UK Athletics and WADA have cleared Salazar. There was nothing illegal going on. Was Steve just young and disillusioned falling in love with an athlete of NOP that was jaded?

Any thoughts?

Yes lots of thoughts.

What makes you thinks either of the following is true - that UK Athletics cleared Salazar or that WADA has?

Expecting UK Athletics to get to the bottom of this would be like expecting USATF to get the bottom of it. No chance.

Regardless, UK Athletics specificially said they wouldn't comment on the specifics of their investigation at the request of USADA so it seems that USADA/WADA's investigation is still going on so they clearly haven't given the 'All clear.'

UKA/WADA/USADA will never officially clear Salazar or Farah. They will remain silent on the matter, and hope the issue is forgotten.

UKdisfunctionalA wrote:

UKA/WADA/USADA will never officially clear Salazar or Farah. They will remain silent on the matter, and hope the issue is forgotten.

Exactly. The whole reason propublica broke the story was because Steve and co. went to USATF in 2012 (!!!) and NOTHING HAPPENED.

fdfdd wrote:

UKdisfunctionalA wrote:

UKA/WADA/USADA will never officially clear Salazar or Farah. They will remain silent on the matter, and hope the issue is forgotten.

Exactly. The whole reason propublica broke the story was because Steve and co. went to USATF in 2012 (!!!) and NOTHING HAPPENED.

What do you mean nothing happened? Since then, they've tested Rupp more than any athlete in track and field, and they've test NOP more than any other training group.

What did it get them? Bupkis.

This is going to die because there's nothing there.

I'm not a NOP or Salazar fan, but you NOP haters would rather take down the sport than admit your wrong.

This idiot website ran Salazar Doping Headlines all throughout USAs instead of promoting the sport. Damn shame. There was a great track meet going on.

Man Overboard wrote:

He didn't have “physical evidence" of anything but that one girl.

Alberto. Dude. Everyone knows you run a doping program.

Except, you know, over a dozen stories that corroborated each other.

And then the fact Alberto was rubbing exogenous test.

And the fact Alberto was advising athletes to medicate themselves far beyond prescribed dose seeking an androgenic effect.

So, go ahead and deny that's evidence.

Nike owns the federations and the federation is okay with doping. Must be nice.

Larry Dickman wrote:

What do you mean nothing happened? Since then, they've tested Rupp more than any athlete in track and field, and they've test NOP more than any other training group.

What did it get them? Bupkis.

Of course, it's very likely Seppelt's last story, the one where 1/3 of all podiums in a sample set were very likely doping is still going on. Nobody knows results.

The bottom line: the federation and the IOC are okay with doping. Just don't kill yourself.

Right about what? That he saw one medical record of Rupp that was 10 years old that said "testosterone"? Or that he witnessed Salazar running an experiment on his son using Androgel?

Salazar said he did those things. So yeah, Magness was right about them. Problem is, I think Salazar is right in his explanations of those things.

So there it is.

Yup!!!!!

So, ryan, are you Tony, Maria, or Alex?

ryan foreman wrote:

Salazar said he did those things. So yeah, Magness was right about them. Problem is, I think Salazar is right in his explanations of those things.

So there it is.

Salazar still admitted that he was trying to raise the testosterone levels of a 16-year-old, which goes beyond the mere rules of sport.

People who don't understand this are medically ignorant. Ages 15 through 17 are the "crazy hormone" years when T levels are naturally through the roof to feed growth spurts. Not something to mess around with without a sounder purpose than training for sports.

IIRC Salazar said Rupp's low T was a side effect of something else he was on, which doesn't help his case either.

So what exactly was Magness wrong about?