Should LRC Come up With Its Own Record Books That Removes Marks From Drug Cheats Before they Were Convicted?

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  • your benevolent dictator

    LetsRun.com

    Member since 08/12/2009.

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    8 years ago 09/11/2015 4:14pm EDT

    We at LRC believe drug cheats should have all of their previous marks struck from the record books. It might serve as a deterrent and why should the cheats get the benefit of the doubt?

    However, that currently isn't how it is done. Yet in writing our women's mile recap from Brussels we had this sentence: Simpson’s 4:22.18 puts her at #5 behind Slaney, Rowbury, Regina Jacobs and Ruth Wysocki.

    Slaney and Jacobs both got major drug bans. Should we at LRC strike them from our own internal record books? Just because WADA or the IAAF does something one way doesn't mean everyone else has to follow.

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    Link

    Member since 08/07/2009.

    1,613 posts. Last post 4 years ago.
    8 years ago 09/11/2015 6:32pm EDT
    re: LetsRun.com

    Test Question:

    If it turns out that Paula doped in 03 do we also strike all of her previous times and medals?

    But, yes. I believe in lifetime bans, retroactive disqualifications and in aggressive attempts to recoup money. Heck, I believe that prize money should be placed in escrow and distributed only some years after when stored samples are re-tested.

    Put all of those things in place and... well, we'd probably still have dopers, but, I'd bet, not nearly as many. Right now doctors and agents get paid right away and, only rarely, suffer any consequences for helping their athletes dope.

  • My PRs

    Anonymous Poster

    8 years ago 09/11/2015 6:54pm EDT
    re: LetsRun.com

    The only legit records I can confirm are my personal PRs.

  • not gonna work

    Anonymous Poster

    8 years ago 09/11/2015 7:07pm EDT
    re: LetsRun.com

    LetsRun.com wrote:

    Slaney and Jacobs both got major drug bans. Should we at LRC strike them from our own internal record books?

    Where do you draw the line between "major" and "minor" drug bans? And what if any implications will that have for your record keeping.

  • krispy kremlin_

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    8 years ago 09/11/2015 7:19pm EDT
    re: Link

    Link wrote:

    But, yes. I believe in lifetime bans, retroactive disqualifications and in aggressive attempts to recoup money. Heck, I believe that prize money should be placed in escrow and distributed only some years after when stored samples are re-tested.

    Yes.

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    nj

    Member since 10/05/2004.

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    8 years ago 09/11/2015 7:42pm EDT
    re: LetsRun.com

    yes.

  • Edward Teach

    Anonymous Poster

    8 years ago 09/11/2015 7:53pm EDT
    re: LetsRun.com

    hell yes, but the drug bans have to be confirmed for real, ie: almost everyone thinks Paula cheated, but it has to be proven first. Same for that Chinese 10k womens wr holder.

  • kjhgf

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    8 years ago 09/11/2015 8:09pm EDT
    re: LetsRun.com

    Jail time is the only deterrent.

  • bobcrachit

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    8 years ago 09/11/2015 8:29pm EDT
    re: LetsRun.com

    Leave it to the nerdy guys with green eyeshades.

    Just for starters what about Emma Coburn's fast (but no AR) 3000SC? It's a drug-test related non-ratification of the record without disqualifying the athlete. And it's beginning to look like that might have been Emma's best shot at the (American) record. So who in your opinion sits on the LRC list as the record holder? Simpson or Coburn?

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    Rockgip

    Member since 06/25/2015.

    180 posts. Last post 2 years ago.
    8 years ago 09/12/2015 10:48am EDT
    re: LetsRun.com

    No way. LRC shouldn't create its own arbitrary standards about what races are record-worthy and which aren't. That's asking for a world of confusion, especially if other international agencies do things differently. I think it's totally reasonable to place an asterisk next to their names, but to remove them from the books entirely is a whole different story.

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    Bad Wigins

    Member since 03/22/2013.

    25,039 posts. Last post 4 weeks ago.
    8 years ago 09/12/2015 3:24pm EDT
    re: LetsRun.com

    All the records are either proven dirty like Koch or presumed dirty like Flojo. You should remove ALL records from the books and start over.

    And in the future anyone who sets a record should be banned for obvious doping.

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