Answer 3 questions about our sports and the use of banned drugs

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Its all more rumour than fact.1 - 5%2 - No3 - We have already made great strides with drug testing. We will be fine.

honest answers please wrote:

(1) What percentage of the top elites who win or place in their events do you think use banned drugs?

(2) Do you feel it would be disloyal to expose a teammate or countryman who used a banned substance?

(3) What do you see as the future our our sport with banned drug use? Will it be a never ending problem or will we get a good handle on controlling it?

1. 50%

2. Yes

3. The number of substances/methods that could be perceived as "performance enhancing" will probably grow tenfold in the next 15 years. The solution is just "Use at your own risk."

Lenny Leonard wrote:

1. 50%

2. Yes

3. The number of substances/methods that could be perceived as "performance enhancing" will probably grow tenfold in the next 15 years. The solution is just "Use at your own risk."

That's ridiculous. 50% drugs cheats? Just rumor. You have no evidence that suggests its that high.

honest answers please wrote:

(1) What percentage of the top elites who win or place in their events do you think use banned drugs?

(2) Do you feel it would be disloyal to expose a teammate or countryman who used a banned substance?

(3) What do you see as the future our our sport with banned drug use? Will it be a never ending problem or will we get a good handle on controlling it?

(1) > 90%

(2) No

(3) The motivation to cheat will always be there. The problem is partly in the conflict of interest. The IAAF would be harming itself to bust top athletes like Bolt, Mo, etc. I think truly independent and systematic out of competition testing applied globally (rather than relying on individual country agencies) is a minimum.

1) 50% - at least half are doing something "illegal" like the Salazar accusations or tiptoeing on the line. (microdosing, TUE abuse etc)

2) No it is not disloyal, but no one ever does so this point is mute.

3) A continued problem, Testing is better, but cheaters are smarter too. A guy like Rupp can appear to progress naturally and never fail a test, but he is cheating.

Source: work closely with professional runners, aka a shoe company,

The guy who said 5% is so naïve.

1. 33%

2. I'd literally expose a female athlete if she was hot....and i'd still be loyal to her. :)

3. The only control over drugs possible would be controlled usage.

crete wrote:

honest answers please wrote:

(1) What percentage of the top elites who win or place in their events do you think use banned drugs?

(2) Do you feel it would be disloyal to expose a teammate or countryman who used a banned substance?

(3) What do you see as the future our our sport with banned drug use? Will it be a never ending problem or will we get a good handle on controlling it?

(1) > 90%

(2) No

(3) The motivation to cheat will always be there. The problem is partly in the conflict of interest. The IAAF would be harming itself to bust top athletes like Bolt, Mo, etc. I think truly independent and systematic out of competition testing applied globally (rather than relying on individual country agencies) is a minimum.

I would not have imagined it that high. I hope you are wrong but I have limited knowledge to agree or disagree.

Conundrum wrote:

crete wrote:

(1) > 90%

(2) No

(3) The motivation to cheat will always be there. The problem is partly in the conflict of interest. The IAAF would be harming itself to bust top athletes like Bolt, Mo, etc. I think truly independent and systematic out of competition testing applied globally (rather than relying on individual country agencies) is a minimum.

I would not have imagined it that high. I hope you are wrong but I have limited knowledge to agree or disagree.

Remember, it was conditional - what % of athletes who medal in major champs. I think that's going to be quite high. 90% was my cynicism showing.

my take on this wrote:

Its all more rumour than fact.

1 - 5%

2 - No

3 - We have already made great strides with drug testing. We will be fine.

honest answers please wrote:

(1) What percentage of the top elites who win or place in their events do you think use banned drugs?

(2) Do you feel it would be disloyal to expose a teammate or countryman who used a banned substance?

(3) What do you see as the future our our sport with banned drug use? Will it be a never ending problem or will we get a good handle on controlling it?

This is even more retarded than Lamine Diack backing up a statement that "99% of athletes are clean" with "I do 3,000 tests per year and I have 200 tests positive and 2,800 that are negative."...

my take on this wrote:

Lenny Leonard wrote:

1. 50%

2. Yes

3. The number of substances/methods that could be perceived as "performance enhancing" will probably grow tenfold in the next 15 years. The solution is just "Use at your own risk."

That's ridiculous. 50% drugs cheats? Just rumor. You have no evidence that suggests its that high.

and likewise what is your evidence it is as low as 5%?! What do you base your assumptions off - oh right so you play devils advocate and make it as low as conceivably possible and by de facto its more accurate?

You can f#@k right off mate - what a twit.

200 out of 3000 tested positive. You do the math and tell me which post is in the ball park. I have seen no better "evidence".

simon stitchworthington wrote:

my take on this wrote:

That's ridiculous. 50% drugs cheats? Just rumor. You have no evidence that suggests its that high.

and likewise what is your evidence it is as low as 5%?! What do you base your assumptions off - oh right so you play devils advocate and make it as low as conceivably possible and by de facto its more accurate?

You can f#@k right off mate - what a twit.

my take on this wrote:

simon stitchworthington wrote:

and likewise what is your evidence it is as low as 5%?! What do you base your assumptions off - oh right so you play devils advocate and make it as low as conceivably possible and by de facto its more accurate?

You can f#@k right off mate - what a twit.

http://universalsports.com/2015/08/20/outgoing-iaaf-president-believes-99-percent-of-athletes-are-clean/

200 out of 3000 tested positive. You do the math and tell me which post is in the ball park. I have seen no better "evidence".

How about the poll the IAAF suppressed where 1/3 of athletes competing at Daegu stated they were taking PEDs. The real number is certainly even higher.

You're clueless.

reader of the forums wrote:

How about the poll the IAAF suppressed where 1/3 of athletes competing at Daegu stated they were taking PEDs. The real number is certainly even higher.

You're clueless.

Unless you have evidence and a link your "suppressed poll" is just message board rumor. Please give your reference otherwise your post is meaningless.

my take on this wrote:

Unless you have evidence and a link your "suppressed poll" is just message board rumor.

No. Something is either true or it isn't. My linking or not linking to a source has no bearing on the truth of the claim I made.

Further, your own personal ignorance about a well known story, one that was linked for days on the front page of this website as well as discussed on this message board for years, is not my problem.

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised however that someone who believes only 5% of top athletes are doping is ignorant of well known information.

my take on this wrote:

Please give your reference otherwise your post is meaningless.

Suck it

reader of the forums wrote:

How about the poll the IAAF suppressed where 1/3 of athletes competing at Daegu stated they were taking PEDs. The real number is certainly even higher.

You're clueless.

Hey Mr Reader, since you are in the business of correcting people how about this: you absolutely do not know that "certainly... the real number" of doping athletes is "higher" than the 1/3 of athletes who supposedly* admitted to doping in that study.

(* this is not a peer-reviewed published study, and even if it were, there would be no guarantee that the figures were correct: one study does not prove anything.

Care to "suck it" yourself now? )

honest answers please wrote:

(1) What percentage of the top elites who win or place in their events do you think use banned drugs?

(2) Do you feel it would be disloyal to expose a teammate or countryman who used a banned substance?

(3) What do you see as the future our our sport with banned drug use? Will it be a never ending problem or will we get a good handle on controlling it?

1. 95%

2. No. There is no such thing as loyalty among thieves

3. I don't know how you define 'future'. If you mean in the next 10 years, then, I think it will look much like the last 10. If you mean 20 to 30 years from now, then 'drugs' won't be the biggest problem anymore. Genetic engineering will be. If you mean 100 years from now, then I don't think sport, as we understand it now, will exist anymore. Athletics will be equal parts Bolshoi Ballet and WWE. Which is to say, no different from now, just that everyone will be aware of it.

Bleak, I know....

If 50 to 90% of the winners are cheating, then the sport is in state of total disarray.

Yes it is very bleak.

(1) One in five or six.

(2) People from that country may dislike the athlete who exposes a teammate or countryman, especially if said athlete is considered a national hero.

(3) The will always be cheats....