Is This One Song By New York Dolls Better Than Anything Nirvana Put Out?

No, but I will say that Nirvana is the most overrated band of all time, is not one of the top 5 grunge bands, and that Hole is a better band and will have more enduring influence than Nirvana.

Hole's legacy is better.

I could hear the comments section starts here shouting loudly.

I did not say more. Obviously, the more the band Nirvana influence. That's what happens when you sell more than 750,000 albums and songs of rock radio every 15 minutes for two years to play.

I said yes.

Nirvana inspired the "bubble rubbish" wave, which is a direct result of modern docking rock like five fingers death punch blocked several remaining alternative radio.

Influence Courtney Love and Hole is more relevant and interesting artists apparent. Every time she stepped on the peak of Lady Gaga on stage, you can see the influence of love. Like Tuo Fuluo and white road mish lung outstanding artists cited as having a major impact hole. This is a quality overage (and previous factors are still members conduct their own hole wonderful music that is).

So, if you have not jumped to the advice I can make a suggestion?

The next time you decide whether to buy $ 600 reissue does not matter, go in to the entire album "H" buy-hole instead of in the record stores. We owe it to all the holes, we have neglected their years.

And you owe it to your ears, because the hole is a better band.

OK, that wasn't very good. Maybe they should have practiced their instruments more. Or tuned them.

How can you compare that rockabilly to grunge?

When I mention Hole, Nirvana, Sonic Youth or Fugazi to my team I just get blank stares.

I understood most of that, but are you by chance Chinese? You managed to mangle the English language in a way only a non-native speaker could.

I do agree, yes, Hole is a *very good* band. More lasting influence than Nirvana? Absolutely no way. Lyrically and on a sonic level I'd dare say that Nirvana is the most influential band of the 90s. The only other band I think that you could even make an argument for is Radiohead, and they were more influential in the 00s.

$600 on a reissue? I can buy about 30 LPs for that much.

Bermuda Rumpus wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3GRF-NhqdY

Yes.

NYD - most underrated band of all time.

eh. sounds like an outtake from a Clash record. You seriously think that is an immortal song? It's...fine. Sort of fun. The Clash wrote this kind of thing in their sleep. And then threw it out because it wasn't distinctive enough.

And Nirvana was not overrated. They were the last rock and roll band that mattered.

any dolls song is better than everything nirvana put out. Even rundgren couldn't screw em up

agip wrote:

Bermuda Rumpus wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3GRF-NhqdY

Yes.

NYD - most underrated band of all time.

eh. sounds like an outtake from a Clash record. You seriously think that is an immortal song? It's...fine. Sort of fun. The Clash wrote this kind of thing in their sleep. And then threw it out because it wasn't distinctive enough.

And Nirvana was not overrated. They were the last rock and roll band that mattered.

Nice try - guess where The Clash pulled a lot of their ideas?

No, it's not an immortal song and that's the whole point. Even that song that's probably not in NYD's top 20 is better than anything the Nirvana put out. But even that won't stop Hot Topic from selling Kurt Cobain t shirts in droves.

agip wrote:

And Nirvana was not overrated. They were the last rock and roll band that mattered.

Radiohead? White Stripes? RHCP? I like Nirvana, but c'mon man.

Dora the Agoraphobiac wrote:

agip wrote:

And Nirvana was not overrated. They were the last rock and roll band that mattered.

Radiohead? White Stripes? RHCP? I like Nirvana, but c'mon man.

did those bands you mention really change anything?

Radiohead is a phenomenon I'll admit to not understanding. I loathe them will all the cells of my brain. So I can't be trusted judging them.

But RHCP didn't 'matter' in the way I mean it - they weren't a cultural phenomenon that utterly blitzed music, like Nirvana or the Clash or REM. They were a cool, interesting band that had an original sound and wrote some great songs. There are dozens of those. They aren't on the same level as what I am talking about.

Bermuda Rumpus wrote:

agip wrote:

eh. sounds like an outtake from a Clash record. You seriously think that is an immortal song? It's...fine. Sort of fun. The Clash wrote this kind of thing in their sleep. And then threw it out because it wasn't distinctive enough.

And Nirvana was not overrated. They were the last rock and roll band that mattered.

Nice try - guess where The Clash pulled a lot of their ideas?

No, it's not an immortal song and that's the whole point. Even that song that's probably not in NYD's top 20 is better than anything the Nirvana put out. But even that won't stop Hot Topic from selling Kurt Cobain t shirts in droves.

a fun little unmemorable rocker is better than epochal Smells Like Teen Spirit or All Apologies?

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agip wrote:

a fun little unmemorable rocker is better than epochal Smells Like Teen Spirit or All Apologies?

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you got it man wrote:

agip wrote:

a fun little unmemorable rocker is better than epochal Smells Like Teen Spirit or All Apologies?

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right. 1/10.

Your music tastes can't be trusted then. that's not a valid view.

The Stooges take a dump on the New York Dolls face. So do the Ramones, for that matter.

Listen, Nirvana was a ridiculous pop force, okay? They influenced an entire generation of music after it was corrupted and over-commercialized by the Patrick Batemen fools. I don't think many people would argue that Nirvana wasn't a great musical talent, but that's not always what is important in music. If it were, then Joe Satriani would be respected instead of being a f$&king douchebag joke.

I'm not buying the Hole argument, but I won't go down that road.

If you want insight into the Radiohead phenomenon, look no further than the introduction of European club influences into rock music. Radiohead is the reason you see moogs and other sampling machines on stage with rock bands these days... For better or for worse. FWIW, Radiohead has pulled from Bjork to a great extent, but I think she willingly took part in the exchange. She's one of the true pioneers of the rock/EDM movement that is just now hitting the mainstream.

agip wrote:

you got it man wrote:

Correct

right. 1/10.

Your music tastes can't be trusted then. that's not a valid view.

Too late - you've already outed yourself. You didn't even know the Clash were heavily influenced by NYD. NYD were punk before the world knew what punk was.

You only think "Smells Like" is cool because VH1 and SPIN told you so. The fact is it's not as smart as you think. I was in HS when that song came out and my first impression was "good but not great." Little did I know how inexplicably big it would become.

Grunge is the Donny Darko of rock. The rest of the world doesn't "get it" 'cause we're all too dumb.

Bermuda Rumpus wrote:

agip wrote:

right. 1/10.

Your music tastes can't be trusted then. that's not a valid view.

Too late - you've already outed yourself. You didn't even know the Clash were heavily influenced by NYD. NYD were punk before the world knew what punk was.

You only think "Smells Like" is cool because VH1 and SPIN told you so. The fact is it's not as smart as you think. I was in HS when that song came out and my first impression was "good but not great." Little did I know how inexplicably big it would become.

Grunge is the Donny Darko of rock. The rest of the world doesn't "get it" 'cause we're all too dumb.

"influence" is overrated.

Chuck Berry was heavily influenced by sister rosetta tharpe. Does that make tharpe superior to Chuck MF Berry? Does it diminish Berry's songwriting in any material way?

So the Clash might be influenced by the NYD. So the F what? They wrote probably 50 songs better than the best NYD song, which I can't even think of because they were so bloody unmemorable.

If you didn't feel the riff of Smells Like Teen Spirit in your gut of musical guts in HS, then fine, but that's your insensitivity. That was a rock and roll moment that doesn't come around much. Like hearing Start Me Up for the first time. Spin magazine don't have nothign to do with it.

Here's the wikipedia entry on tharpe. By your standards, she is a demigod, a musician of the ages whose songs are in the hearts of kidz everywhere. But she isn't. Because she didn't write enough good songs. But she "influenced" some of the greatest musicians of the 20th century.

Little Richard referred to the stomping, shouting, gospel music performer as his favorite singer when he was a child. In 1945, she heard Richard sing prior to her concert at the Macon City Auditorium and later invited him on stage to sing with her; it was Richard's first public performance outside of the church. Following the show, she paid him for his performance, which inspired him to become a performer.[26]

When Johnny Cash gave his induction speech at the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame, he referred to Tharpe as his favorite singer when he was a child. His daughter Rosanne similarly stated in an interview with Larry King that Tharpe was her father's favorite singer. Tharpe began recording with electric guitar in the 1940s, with "That's All", which is cited to have been an influence on Chuck Berry and Elvis Presley.[2]

A number of other musicians, including Aretha Franklin, Jerry Lee Lewis,[6] and Isaac Hayes have identified her singing, guitar playing, and showmanship as an important influence on them. She was held in particularly high esteem by UK jazz/blues singer George Melly.

Tina Turner credits Rosetta Tharpe besides Mahalia Jackson as an early musical influence on her.

Performers including Meat Loaf, Neil Sedaka and Karen Carpenter have attested that Tharpe influenced their diverse styles through the rhythmic energy she emanated in her performances, especially the "Chorlton Chug" riffs (something especially noticeable in Carpenter's drum fills.)[27] Even today, artists such as Sean Michel have credited her influence with the performance of gospel songs in more secular venues.

agip wrote:

Here's the wikipedia entry on tharpe. By your standards, she is a demigod

Correct again.

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Also better than anything Nirvana put out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnAQATKRBN0