Props to Rudisha for running a remarkable race. However, this should be a lesson that in a slow race, you don't want to be in last with a lap to go.
Props to Rudisha for running a remarkable race. However, this should be a lesson that in a slow race, you don't want to be in last with a lap to go.
All but one wc/oly m800 final since 2008 has been won by the man in the lead at the bell. 5 out of 6.
The other guy (Symmonds) got silver.
With 1 lap to go you want to be in the LEAD.
You are an idiot. Tuka got a medal. Did I miss something?
he wanted gold you moron.
It was the first world medal ever for Bosnia as an independent nation ,and I think Tuka wasn't so worried for the gold. He clearly said that he was in Beijing for a medal.
Next year it will be another story.
Alh359 wrote:
You are an idiot. Tuka got a medal. Did I miss something?
Yeah, they all handed Rudisha the gold. Why let him lead at 54 pace? Why give him the clear track he publicly says he loves to have? Being a great racer is not just running to your strengths but forcing others to have to run to their weaknesses. Anyone in that field could have made life difficult for Rudisha but they handed it to him.
george oscar bluth wrote:
However, this should be a lesson that in a slow race, you don't want to be in last with a lap to go.
True. You might get stuck with a world championship bronze medal.
I give Tuka a pass on this. Sure it was a mistake to be that far back, but it was the guy's first major championship race. It's easy for us to sit here in our computer chairs and talk about what he should have done after the fact. He's gone from a no name to the World Championship bronze medalist. Pretty damn good.
george oscar bluth wrote:
Props to Rudisha for running a remarkable race. However, this should be a lesson that in a slow race, you don't want to be in last with a lap to go.
Only idiot here is you. He just got a first historic medal for Bosnia.
el Cerebro wrote:
Alh359 wrote:You are an idiot. Tuka got a medal. Did I miss something?
Yeah, they all handed Rudisha the gold. Why let him lead at 54 pace? Why give him the clear track he publicly says he loves to have? Being a great racer is not just running to your strengths but forcing others to have to run to their weaknesses. Anyone in that field could have made life difficult for Rudisha but they handed it to him.
Why did they hand Rudisha the gold? Rudisha has been known for not having a great kick, and only being able to win in a fast race where everyone goes up and he ties up least. The dude has been getting beaten the last year or two even in 1:43 races, maybe a 1:42 race, certainly slower races. Yet he proved today that he can win in any sort of race, with a blistering pace from the gun or a jog to the 600 mark, further cementing his legacy as the greatest 800 meter runner of all time. Making it faster would only have helped Rudisha--his last lap was as only as fast as his last lap in the Olympic Games when he ran 1:40.
george oscar bluth wrote:
Props to Rudisha for running a remarkable race. However, this should be a lesson that in a slow race, you don't want to be in last with a lap to go.
except when it works.
like Wottle's gold - leaders went through in 52 - slow race - and wottle was in last place at the bell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LHid-nC45kbut ja, it is a low percentage strategy.
agip wrote:
george oscar bluth wrote:Props to Rudisha for running a remarkable race. However, this should be a lesson that in a slow race, you don't want to be in last with a lap to go.
except when it works.
like Wottle's gold - leaders went through in 52 - slow race - and wottle was in last place at the bell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LHid-nC45kbut ja, it is a low percentage strategy.
If to try to show it works you have to go back to a 1972 video of a white guy in a baseball cap beating a heat full of white guys, yes it is a low percentage strategy.
Wottle lol wrote:
agip wrote:except when it works.
like Wottle's gold - leaders went through in 52 - slow race - and wottle was in last place at the bell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LHid-nC45kbut ja, it is a low percentage strategy.
If to try to show it works you have to go back to a 1972 video of a white guy in a baseball cap beating a heat full of white guys, yes it is a low percentage strategy.
1) it's not a heat, it was the final of the MF olympic games
2) there were two kenyans in the race
3) the soviet dude was no doubt doped up to the part on his head
4) this was the first example I thought of - I'm sure there are others.
I'll agree it's a low percentage strategy - I suspect Tuka was hoping Rudisha woudl take it out in 49 and there would be carnage in the last 100. It was a bet that paid off some - dude medalled.
I do not believe that a bronze medal is a successful performance for an 800m runner who has run nearly a second faster than anyone else in the field this year and who arguably has the best sprint speed of the field.
george oscar bluth wrote:
Props to Rudisha for running a remarkable race. However, this should be a lesson that in a slow race, you don't want to be in last with a lap to go.
True. Surprising Tuka was able to medal after being so far back because everyone is able to kick in a race that slow. The Kenyans blocked the field, their team tactics worked. Kszczot was hampered badly by them plugging things up.
Rudisha is lucky Tuka ran like an idiot. If Tuka had coasted along just behind the Kenyan phalanx he likely would have mowed Rudy down over the final 200.
george oscar bluth wrote:
arguably has the best sprint speed of the field.
Make that argument.
agip wrote:
george oscar bluth wrote:Props to Rudisha for running a remarkable race. However, this should be a lesson that in a slow race, you don't want to be in last with a lap to go.
except when it works.
like Wottle's gold - leaders went through in 52 - slow race - and wottle was in last place at the bell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LHid-nC45kbut ja, it is a low percentage strategy.
I knew someone would inappropriately use this as an example.
A race going out in 52.3 when the WR is 1:44.3 is NOT a slow race. Not super fast, but not slow. Today the race went out in 54.15 when the WR is 1:40.91.
In the video the announcers even say "quite a fast pace through that first 200m"
William Kristol sez wrote:
Borzakovskiy ran down a herd of Africans in 2004 with same tactic. Go back to Hillel House and continue to orally satisfy the African exchange students who drop by to visit. We know how you guys like to keep it on the downlow while commiserating with your tools and whining about those awful white guys. You're not really white anyway, that's what you tell your African friends. lol
What is a Hillel?
And do you think that running at the back is a good tactic in a quality field?
george oscar bluth wrote:
agip wrote:except when it works.
like Wottle's gold - leaders went through in 52 - slow race - and wottle was in last place at the bell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LHid-nC45kbut ja, it is a low percentage strategy.
I knew someone would inappropriately use this as an example.
A race going out in 52.3 when the WR is 1:44.3 is NOT a slow race. Not super fast, but not slow. Today the race went out in 54.15 when the WR is 1:40.91.
In the video the announcers even say "quite a fast pace through that first 200m"
eh. You can't us the WR as the standard - people have been pretty much running 143-145 for 40 years. A couple outliers don't define the standard.
for the record,
here's the borza OG win - similar - OG final, slowish 1st lap, borza in last or near to last, wins race.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFZd-UdZihohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ItcoTxz1AI&feature=youtu.berupp-certified saladbard wrote:
george oscar bluth wrote:arguably has the best sprint speed of the field.
Make that argument.