Nick Symmonds fires back at USATF- Budget figures do not show any indivdual athletes receiving an actual salaries

For the millionth time on this board:

ATHLETES ARE NOT EMPLOYEES OF USATF

Words ending with a consonant + y, change y to i and add es.

You got it. So they cannot interfere with the income of athletes it doesn't employ. This went over your head... high AND wide..

"One that will draw more scrutiny and will ultimately be costly for USATF."

Boy that is funny. How exactly is more scrutiny going to change the Nike contract?

raczbrugy wrote:

You got it. So they cannot interfere with the income of athletes it doesn't employ. This went over your head... high AND wide..

Yes, an organization cannot pay a salary to someone it doesn't employ. This is Labor Compensation 101.

The NFL, NBA, etc. do not pay athletes. The individuals clubs pay athletes. Some of that money comes from television deals and other revenue flowed from the leagues to the teams.

captain obvious: you are slow but there's hope yet. though I am not wasting more time on you after this...

by your reasoning, the NFL and NBA tell their pros to sign an agreement that stifles their sponsorship obligations and expression (just like USATF) AND these athletes make millions while wearing whatever they want?!

how can that be? hmmmmm.. (coz it doesn't happen einstein).now spell check my writing minion, like the anal 2nd grade tattle tail u ahre, and leeeve thuh reasoneeeng to the adulttts...

How much money goes to the dozens of sunburned, fat old fart USATF volunteers we see limping around the infield at every USATF meet?

Hearsay from Flo Track people tell me that several ex-coaches get 100% of airfare, hotel, retal car, and meals covered by USATF.

Some USATF volunteers don't need expenses paid given they already receive hefty civil service pensions; are wealthy doctors, computer chip designers, real estate moguls; or have a big family inheritance.

But that's just hearsay.

We need an independent auditor to review the detailed distribution practices of USATF.

Athletes are waiting.

Can anyone enlighten me as to what the OP is trying to say?

Nick Symmonds is having a spat with USATF. Check out his recent interviews.

Nick Symmonds was just on the NPR Radio show HERE AND NOW

He comes across as articulate guy IMHO. Here is the link and it is worth a listen.

http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2015/08/12/nick-symmonds-nike

OP is saying USATF should form and pay a group of athletes to be Team USA22 or so events events two genders and up to three athletes per event means a team of about 130 athletes getting enough to survive on say $100,000 to 125,00 per year plus benefits package health 401 etc.

Now a Coach wrote:

Can anyone enlighten me as to what the OP is trying to say?

i think OP means wrote:

OP is saying USATF should form and pay a group of athletes to be Team USA

22 or so events events two genders and up to three athletes per event means a team of about 130 athletes getting enough to survive on say $100,000 to 125,00 per year plus benefits package health 401 etc.

$100k isn't survival money. That is waaaaay too much. Maybe a guaranteed $10-$15k would be reasonable, but definitely not $100k+.

i think OP means wrote:

OP is saying USATF should form and pay a group of athletes to be Team USA

22 or so events events two genders and up to three athletes per event means a team of about 130 athletes getting enough to survive on say $100,000 to 125,00 per year plus benefits package health 401 etc.

Now a Coach wrote:

Can anyone enlighten me as to what the OP is trying to say?

If USATF was paying them, would they then be unable to have separate shoe and apparel contracts? If Nike is footing the bill for most of this, I'd imagine they would train, compete, and promote Nike product?

Is that what Nick is fighting for? I'm even more confused.

150/120 pros- Will the masters, junior and youth teams get these break even after expenses 100 grand salaries too?

the replier above said up to three per event but the need to have walkers, XC runners, trail runners, mountain runners, ultra runners will mean some of the track events will have fewer.

TEAM USA EVENTS 2015

Jan. 10 Bupa Great Edinburgh Cross Country

Feb. 22 APA Pan American Cross Country Cup

Mar. 28 IAAF World Cross Country Championships

Apr. 11-12 IAU World 24 Hour Championships

May 2-3 IAAF World Relays

May 9-10 Pan American Race Walk Championships

May 30 IAU World Ultra Trail Championships

Jun. 19-20 NACAC/Ottawa Combined Events Capital Cup

Jul. 4 World Long Distance Mountain Running Championships

Jul. 15-19 IAAF World Youth Championships

Jul. 18 NACAC Mountain Running Championships

Jul. 20-26 Pan American Games

Jul. 31 - Aug. 2 Pan American Junior Championships

Aug. 4-16 World Masters Athletics Outdoor Championships

Aug. 7-9 NACAC Senior Area Championships

Aug. 8-9 Thorpe Cup (USA vs Germany Multi)

Aug. 22-23 USA vs. Canada Junior Race Walk Match

Aug. 22-30 IAAF World Championships

Sep. 12 IAU 100 km World Championships

Sep. 19 World Mountain Running Championships

Nov. 1 IAU 50K World Championships

Agree

Let's use an example... Does the NFL pay any player's salary? Nope. The teams do. Nick is clearly an ignorant and uneducated man with about two functioning brain cells.

learn to read dummy wrote:

For the millionth time on this board:

ATHLETES ARE NOT EMPLOYEES OF USATF

why should an athlete--not employed by USATF--be required to even use Nike brand toilet paper when they are on these trips? The way things are going that'll be the requirement the next go around.

Sponsorship and wearing your gear at official functions is one thing, but a governing body Owned by an aggressive and unscrupulous corporation for the next 40 years. Nope that picture has got to change.

And if you get on the athletes are on USATF-Nike's dime, well then there ought to be a clause that the athlete's can use their own sponsors or their own money to go to these international events. Wear the gear at the race and then no, it shouldn't e a requirement.

sbeefyk1 wrote:

Let's use an example... Does the NFL pay any player's salary? Nope. The teams do. Nick is clearly an ignorant and uneducated man with about two functioning brain cells.

That's a stupid example, the NFL is nothing more than the name used to refer to all the NFL teams.

No but the NFLPA is also a union and the NFL pays for the healthcare and workers compensation costs of the player. Hence the major lawsuit last year regarding post retirement health issues etc. Perhaps the athletes should form a union. Not just A level athletes, but B and C as well. Just use the national qualifying standards and everyone who has qualified for the year, will be a paying member for the current and following year.